Thursday, August 30, 2012

Strange Universe, stranger allegations by Mike Bara

        I'm not quite so much of a Mike Bara fan that I rushed back early from vacation so as not to miss one of Mike Bara's pseud-psych internet radio shows. However, I did catch up with it yesterday and I thought y'all might like to know what-all I thought of it.

        This was an edition of Strange Universe, nearly two bloody hours long, hosted by Sean David Morton's wife Melissa—SDM himself being off gallivanting around Europe with Kerry Cassidy (I've heard no reports of Europe sinking under a thick layer of bullshit, but I fear it may be imminent).


photo credit: project camelot
  
        Mike and the Mortons are very tight IRL, so there was never any danger of anything other than powderpuff interviewing and enthusiastic agreement with everything Bara, guru of the New Age, had to impart. No phone-ins were accepted—that was no doubt thought to be too dangerous.

        Mike got right off on the ziggy story (damn it, I was hoping I'd written my last on that topic.) He complained not once but several times that Stuart Robbins and I accused him or Hoagland of personally concocting the ziggurat. That, of course, is entirely untrue. The basis of our mockery is not that he faked it but that he found it on a sci-fi web site and considered it reliable enough to include as the "centerpiece" of his forthcoming book. Let me write that again, with slightly more emphasis: He does not trust the Apollo 11 image, he does not trust the LROC WAC or NAC strips, he does not trust the Japanese Kaguya images, BUT HE DOES TRUST THE WORK OF SOME RANDOM TEENAGE SCI-FI FAN. And by the way, both Mike Bara and Richard Hoagland have said in so many words that they "enhanced" the zigpic, whatever that means. Enough said.

        Mike's next complaint was equally laughable. He stated that the attacks on the ziggy-story were couched in vile, offensive, insulting language and were personal as opposed to factual. Melissa Morton, of course, would neither have known or cared that the party using the words "asshole", douchebag", "sack of protoplasm" and "psychopath" was none other than Mike Bara, guru of the something-or-other (ref. my previous blogpost "Mike Bara, Olympian insulter").

        There was more in the same vein, with Melissa interjecting stuff like "The nerve of these people!! Who do they think they are??" Mike had only just gone live with his 5-part blogpost at the time, and he spent some time crowing about how he'd blown the "haters" away with his impeccable logic and L33T SKILLZ at Photoshop. Now, of course, we know that he achieved nothing of the kind.


The art of the airbrush
        I want to skip on, however, to another "strange allegation" because it goes to the heart of the Hoagland/Bara accusations of NASA cover-up and it's so very, very easy to undermine. Backing up his thesis that Apollo astronaut photography is not all it seems, Mike cited that least reliable of witnesses, Ken Johnston, the so-called "NASA whistle-blower." He told how Ken, working in the Lunar Receiving Lab, wandered one day into a secure area and discovered people airbrushing Apollo photography. Not just prints for distribution to the media, mind you, but the actual original camera negatives.

        At this, Melissa positively gasped. She swallowed the story hook, line and sinker. "My God!" she practically screamed, "That means that the photos are changed for ever, the original versions can never be retrieved." "YES, that's exactly what it means," enthused Mike Bara, guru of photographic processing. And the only problem with the story is, it's not true. How do I know it's not true? Very simple—there was no such thing as the original camera negatives.The film the astronauts shot on the Moon was reversal film, not negative. The kind we all used to shoot to make slide shows (Oh, probably some of my readers are too young to have done that. Reversal film produces a positive image but it's transparent, fit for screen projection.) Technical note: The film stock was 70mm double-perforated Ektachrome E-3 on a special Estar thin base. The stock was specially made for high-altitude surveillance photography.

         To be sure, an internegative would have been made from the reversal original, and distribution prints made from that. I believe, in fact, that it was even more complicated. For distribution to high-quality magazines like Life and Saturday Evening Post, a master large-format print was made, that print was touched up, then a second interneg was struck. One thing they wanted to avoid was any sparkle in the sky which might have been misinterpreted as stars (although in fact the planet Venus is bright enough to be seen in a few Apollo 14 shots.)

        Here's why it MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL to airbrush a negative, whether it's a camera original or an interneg. The photo-paper that the neg will be printed to starts off as all white, OK? The degree to which any given area darkens is governed by the density of that spot on the negative. To take the two extremes: If the negative is totally opaque, that spot never sees any light so remains pure white. If the neg is fully transparent, the print goes all the way to black, more or less. Now, here's the point. You cannot retouch a negative to make an area of the print blacker because there's no setting on an airbrush labeled "make more transparent." See?

        So either Ken Johnston's memory is faulty, or Mike Bara is telling it wrong, or possibly both. Please note, I'm not claiming that no retouching of these images happened. On the contrary, I have every reason to believe a retouching tool was used. But NOT ON THE CAMERA ORIGINALS. AND NOT TO OBSCURE EVIDENCE OF A LUNAR CIVILIZATION.
 
        If you're masochistic enough to want to suffer through the whole thing, follow this link >>.

88 comments:

Esteban Navarro said...

Welcome home, Expat.

expat said...

Gracias, Esteban.

FlightSuit said...

I am chuckling at the idea of people spraying paint directly onto the surface of a negative. Does Bara even bother to think about these things before he says them?

astroguy said...

Hmm. I think I've been "banned" from Mike's FB page. What does it mean to be banned, actually? Can you still see their page, just can't comment?

I ask because I've been watching his page since this whole thing began, reloading it a few times a day. I only just noticed now - versus earlier today - that all comment boxes on his posts are not present anymore for me.

Is that what happens during a ban, or is it just a FB glitch?

If it's a ban thing, I find that fascinating because I've only ever posted to his page once, and that was well over a month ago, responding to someone else's post questioning if Mars is red. Hmm ... we did both recently comment on someone else's photo on Facebook, so maybe he did it from that?

Biological_Unit said...

What does it mean to be banned, actually?

Facebook can read whatever you type, but can decide whether to print anything...

FlightSuit said...

Astroguy, I can't see the comment boxes either, and I very much doubt Bara knows who I am, much less has banned me. So he obviously changed his FB settings so that only people on his friends list can comment on his timeline.

Binaryspellbook said...

I listened to the interview. Which wasn't an interview, it was a platform for Mike to run wild with his flim-flam.

I also noted with some amusement that Catriona got a mention for "being put up to it" when she attacked him on his page. This of course means that Mike had been scanning Emoluments and reading her posts here.

Hi Mikey. - Incidentally it wasn't Expat or Dr Robbins that "put her up to it." It was me. Wrong again Mike.

Astroguy, being banned comes in a couple of flavours. You can read but not post (as has apparently happened to you) or you can be hit with the deluxe version and be unable to even see his page. It doesn't even show up on a search. That happened to me and a few others. I'm not sure what flavour Mikey offered Catriona.

I am pleased that Richard Dolan has now committed himself at last in condemning Bara, Hoagland et al, and will shortly be blogging some words regarding their shenannigans.

UFO's and the National Security State - Richard Dolan. Worth a read, both volumes I & II

Trekker said...

Astroguy, he now has an 'author' FB page. Can you comment there? https://www.facebook.com/AuthorMikeBara

James Concannon said...

I was able to post to the author page yesterday. Doubt if that'll last. Mikey doesn't like difficult questions any more than his former co-author does.

FlightSuit said...

As I said, if you can't see the comment boxes on Mike's page, it's not that you were specifically banned; it's that he's unilaterally changed his FB settings so that people who aren't on his friends list can not post comments.

astroguy said...

Thanks for the clarifications, guys (any gals?).

FYI, at the suggestion of Expat, and an in a sleep-deprived state where I still swear it's Thursday and not Friday, I e-mailed Melissa Morton about 15 minutes ago:


Mrs. Morton,

I'm messaging you in response to your radio broadcast with Mike Bara.  Yes, I'm the guy against whom Mike effectively ranted for two hours last week.  To state that Mike distorted the facts would put things mildly (especially saying that I'm the one attacking him when it is Mike who first called me an idiot and douchebag before deciding I was a NASA shill).

If you have any interest in examining the situation rather than taking Mike's word for things, I would recommend that you at least glance through my final post (for the moment) on the ziggurat (http://wp.me/pjMYE-pW).  At the beginning of it, I link to my other nearly dozen posts on the subject, refuting Mike's various claims and pointing out many, many factual errors.  Meanwhile, at least a solid 25% of Mike's arguments have been personal attacks and insults without substance (I'm not exaggerating - see his blog if you haven't).  I think it's also very important to point out that this never started with Mike - it was a simple investigation into a claim made by Richard Hoagland that Mike twisted into an attack on him.

I would be more than happy to come onto your program to explain what's really going on and what my position has been all along - which Mike has also distorted significantly.  Of course, it's up to you, but I thought I'd put it out there.

Sincerely,
Stuart

Esteban Navarro said...

Astroguy,you have destroyed his"arguments", but he keeps saying that he´s won the "debate." Now he forbids comments again to be reminded . He´s just a little intellectually dwarf blind - rude nuts. He´s the shame of pseudoscience, he´s the real censor , he´s the hater (redneck-nazi section). I called him chicken before this issue, now, after your responses, is a plucked chicken who refuses to reason or see.I draw this thing today to thank you & to loosen up after the holidays :http://i50.tinypic.com/35cnzg3.jpg

FlightSuit said...

Esteban, that is a terrific illustration! I envy your artistic skill!

expat said...

I just added an interesting image....

Trekker said...

Esteban, that's hilarious! Well done!

Chris Lopes said...

Expat,
I don't know who the guy in the orange shirt is, but I'm guessing the blonde in the sailor's cap is none other than Kerri Cassidy. If it is, I'm glad she's been able to keep one step ahead of all the govmit/Illuminati/Vatican agents who used to chase her and Bill Ryan (back when they were doing their Mulder and Sculley routine) all the time. Or is this a surveillance photo snapped by one of your "friends" in low places?

expat said...

Orange shirt (appropriate color, since this is Amsterdam) is none other than Mike Bara's best bud SDM. Both of them are just staying one step ahead of the evil gubmint agents with the directed energy weapons, I guess.

Misti Parker said...

I hate to keep harping on this point, but Hoagland and Bara, whether intentional or not, serve to obscure not only the truth about the good, but the truth about the bad. By their wrongly accusing others of particular conspiracies, they not only discredit themselves, but they also tend to desensitize the audience to genuine conspiracies.

That being said, I recall Art Bell interviewing a guest back in 1997 or so, who supposedly was a witness to either NASA or a contractor of NASA, that was doctoring images for nefarious purposes. I don't recall who the guest was, or exactly what images were in question, but it was a good show. Anybody remember that edition?

Chris Lopes said...

Misti,
If your point is that Hoagie/Bara makes other conspiracy types look bad, then I'd have to agree. No, I don't think they are actually a part of conspiracy to do exactly that, I just think it's a by-product of the games they play. The law of unintended consequences applies to pseud-science too.

If there were such a conspiracy though, Hoagland and Bara would be one way to go with it. I don't believe there is, or that they would be part of it if it existed, but I can understand how some might come to that conclusion. Even some of their fellow alternative researchers don't think much of about what they are up to. They certainly don't give the field a good name.

astroguy said...

Mike Bara is the Michael Horn of stuff on the moon.

In other, follow-up news, my Conspiracy Skeptic interview on this is set for Monday night. I'll let Expat know when it's up live.

Esteban Navarro said...

Totally agree with Chris, as always, you know what the big secret, the great conspiracy is, Misti? The great secret is there's any secret, cause soon you know everything, even if for common sense. The three stages of the JFK assassination: Dealey Square, the limousine, and the President's head, as well as the Zapruder film, the conclusions of the prosecutor Garrison's evidences, in light of the research , point to a bunch of murderers, not a single one by a landslide.

Neither the collapse of the twin towers and WTC7 appears to be no secret: Some moles steel and concrete lattice structure can not collapse by fire on top. European and American engineers have spent years making this quite clear. In 2005 I saw with my own eyes how the Windsor Tower, a 106 meters high skyscraper in Madrid, burned for 12 hours without collapsing . The entire building burst into flames http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8316/windsortowermadridgn0.jpg
http://www.larioja.com/prensa/noticias/200903/13/fotos/926562.jpg

In other areas, What good news, Astroguy! Give what he deserves! Thanks, Flightsuit and Trekker…;)

Misti Parker said...

Topher, you are employed by a defense contractor, and your job here is spin control. So really, you are just as obfuscatory as Hoagland.

Misti Parker said...

Redux: NASA Whistleblower:
Alien Moon Cities Exist

Tuesday, September 13, 2011 18:52

Former National Aeronautics and Space Administration Data and Photo Control Department manager, Ken Johnston, who worked for the space agency's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the Apollo missions has been fired for telling the truth.

Johnston asserts NASA knows astronauts discovered ancient alien cities and the remains of amazingly advanced machinery on the Moon. Some of the technology can manipulate gravity.

He says the agency ordered a cover-up and forced him to participate in it.

Misti Parker said...



Ken Johnston at the Smithsonian (1 of 2)


Ken Johnston at the Smithsonian (2 of 2)


Any comments here, fellas?

expat said...

That report in Beforeitsnews is wrong in many respects. The chief one is that Johnston was never fired from NASA. He completed his contract -- actually not with NASA itself but with a sub-contractor -- honorably. Much later (about 40 years later) he was dropped from a volunteer program called Solar System Ambassadors when questions were raised about his credentials. Here's James Oberg's version:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144115

Misti Parker said...


True or False?

Ken Johnston
Biography:

"He was one of the five original pilots who tested all of the Apollo equipment including the lunar module..."
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/johnston-ken/5771

Misti Parker said...

Referencing Mike Bara as the advocate for Ken Johnson, is like an indigent defendant having a Court purchased attorney.

That being a Perfect example of how Bara and Hoagland discredit those whom them pretend to support; the moral equivalent of condemnation by faint praise.

Misti Parker said...

By your attacking Bara and Hoagland, we get no closer to the truth. All you are doing is knocking over straw men.

Misti Parker said...

James Oberg is just another spin doctor, who among other things, attempts to falsely paint North Korea as inept, in order to cover the United States' advanced defense capabilities.

Biological_Unit said...

Scalier Weapons are really SCALAR weapons. You're too lazy to understand Vectors so just shut up, 80 year old Asian Man.

Misti Parker said...

Spellcheck switches words on me so fast I can't notice and has nothing to do with the fact that military records are confidential, even for buck privates.

The fact that Ken Johnston was a test pilot on Apollo is more than enough validation of his credentials as a pilot.

You guys are all just so FLICKED.

Misti Parker said...

Dark Mission was nothing more than an elaborate attempt to excuse NASA for lying, by exaggerating claims, and to assassinate the character of Ken Johnston by having such a charlatan as Richard C Hoagland to endorse him.

Of course you can discredit Hoagland. That's what he is there for. Hoagland deliberately miss represents the subjects that he covers, so that the baby Jesus gets tossed out with the Catholic holy water.

Misti Parker said...

For example, of course there is no face on Mars. Ken Johnston never said there was, but since Hoagland cites Johnston, he drags him down with him so that nobody will believe a true word that Johnston says, and you guys try to make certain of that.

expat said...

Ken is not so hot on truth.

http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/review-of-ken-johnston-on-coast-to.html

Misti Parker said...

I don't follow your reasoning about the blue streak NOT being in other frames. UFOs come and go as fast as lens flare. The blue streak that you found, Paddycakes, NASA may well not have noticed. If NASA is cleaning up images from presumptions of lens flare, it may well be covering up evidence, intentionally or not.

As for the Russian image, one can only guess as to what the heck that is; any idea?

Misti Parker said...

Furthermore, there is no proof that the degree is not legitimate. The Universal Life Church set the prescient in Federal Court, which paved the way for church organizations to legally issue academic degrees without regulation. Such degrees can be quite useful in obtaining a county license to work as a minister in a wedding chapel or funeral parlor.

Let's also be clear, that the degree did not misspell the word diploma, either. That was merely the designation labeled on the image file. Evidence perhaps, that the degree was unregulated, and/or, that spell check is not active when labeling image files.

Misti Parker said...

Again, none of this takes away from the fact, that Ken Johnston was a test pilot on Apollo, despite the fact that the Marine Corp didn't see fit to violate the confidentiality of his personal records by handing them over to the ghost profile account holder of this blog.

FlightSuit said...

Misti, if Johnston was a test pilot for the Apollo program, could you tell us exactly what sort of aircraft or spaceship he would have been test piloting?

FlightSuit said...

Regarding the bogus diploma, yes, it might have been technically legal for the diploma mill to issue it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was issued by a diploma mill.

As for the weird blue flare, sure, I guess it could have been a UFO that was only in view when one frame was exposed and not the other. Or it could have been a UFO that was flashing its light on and off.

Or it could have been a stationary light, suspended above the Lunar surface, part of an ancient, ruined arcology, yet still flashing on and off from one exposure to the next, because after all these thousands of years, it's still running on its nuclear battery.

Or it could have been a faerie.

Or it could have been a photographic anomaly, kind of like the nearly identical blue flare that showed up in another photo on the Lunar surface, inside a shadow.

Which do you think it the most likely?

Misti Parker said...

Ken Johnston test piloted Apollo capsules for ergonomics on the ground.

Even though the term, "diploma mill," is technically not a legal term, a church is not a diploma mill when it's degrees are legally recognized.

I think NASA ought to leave images unretouched, unless the original is provided for comparison, along with a detailed explanation of how the image has been altered, and why it was touched up. Even so, I have always maintained that photographs are not valid scientific evidence, any more than they are admissible as evidence in court. In fact the scientific standard is much higher.

Without transparency, (no pun intended) and accountability to the public, funding for NASA is a total waste.








Misti Parker said...

Alexander Gardner was a photojournalist of Abe Lincoln's war on Christian America. Often times, not knowing where the best battle scenes would appear to photograph, he could only show up after the fight was over. It was common practice for him to interview the survivors/winners, to discern the facts as reasonably as possible. Then he would re arrange the corpses and weapons to make it look like some of them were still alive with guns in their hands, and other who had been shot. While these indeed were staged, the did fairly accurately illustrate the events which had transpired.

Conversely, a paparazzi could be standing outside of a court house, waiting for a politician to emerge. Next door to the court house, might very well be a drinking establishment. The photographer could be standing off the the side of the court house with a view down the street to the bar.

As the politician exits the court house, the photographer could snap a shot of him with the bar in the background. Despite the caption which might be written below in print, the visual message to the viewer is that the politician just came out of the bar.

In the above two examples, we see that the faked image conveys the truth, while the unretouched photograph is an out of context representation.


Misti Parker said...



To learn more about degree mills and legitimate alternative degrees
See:
Bear's Guide to Non-Traditional College Degrees

Misti Parker said...



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This course deals with the relationship of Church and State over the past 6,000 years. This course covers the origins of western religion as well as the conflicts between the ULC and the United States government. No test is required for this honorary degree.

Enter the name and address of the person this degree is for. It will be shipped to the "ship to" address provided as checkout, however we need the name and address of the recipient so that it can be properly recorded in the church records.

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FlightSuit said...

Wait a minute Misti, you believe Abraham Lincoln was waging war against Christian America?

Misti Parker said...

Don't change the subject.

Misti Parker said...

The Confederate Constitution had already abolished slavery before Lincoln declared war. The 14th Amendment was not ratified by a proper quorum as the Southern States had boycotted the First Assembly. That illegitimate addendum did not liberate the slaves. Anyone who claims citizenship thereunder trades God given Rights for State granted privileges. The US was thereby established under Martial Rule, and set the precedent for Executive Orders.

Misti Parker said...

Accordingly, all men are created equal AS slaves

Misti Parker said...

When John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated, there was a coup. That's when the veneer of the Republic began to peel away as the totalitarians brazenly started to become less concerned for pretense of Constitutionality. You know who I'm talking about. The people that your partner, Richard C Hoagland and you guys work for.

Misti Parker said...

Ecclesia Menu

Rise & Fall of Christian America


Plundering Christian America


The Public Slavery Acts of Abe Lincoln

FlightSuit said...

Oh my God Misti, you're posting revisionist history about the civil war?

And you're suggesting that Richard C. Hoagland is my partner?

This is crazy!

Misti Parker said...

The Orbs contacted me, not the Space NAZIS. Neither NASASS' silence, Hoaglands exaggerations, nor the Scicops spin can change those encounters.

It's out of your control.

Misti Parker said...

Flight Suit, you may very well be just a hapless kibitzer, but Paddycakes, Hoagland, and Topher Lopes are spooks.

FlightSuit said...

Spooks do a lot of blogging, I take it?

Chris Lopes said...

Expat,
Have you gotten your check from super secret agency this month? Mine's a little late, so I wanted to see if it was a system failure or if TPTB don't think I've done enough dis-info work this month to warrant any pay.

Misti Parker said...

edpepar 14
Hoagland used to, but even spooks get scared off sometimes it would seem. Even the CIA had been recruiting student interns who specifically were good at social networking.

Misti Parker said...

Topher, you just hide in plain site, and get paid by a private contractor of the D.O.D. You have zero credibility and couldn't be objective if you wanted to.

Misti Parker said...

See, this is where the Owls and the Roosters share a common interest; thick as thieves. The Owls own the military industrial complex and the Roosters are the minions who have to work for a paycheck. The owners are Republicans and the workers are Democrats, but they all rely upon corporate welfare. This is why the United States in no longer a Republic but is now Fascist/Socialist.

If the Tea Party were actually a real political party, you'd all be out of a job.

FlightSuit said...

Oh dear.

Biological_Unit said...

The Orbs contacted me,

You crazy! An Orb just contacted me with that info.

Biological_Unit said...

It's out of your control.

If they're getting paid by evilsters - doesn't that mean they got their shit under control? They kick ass and you suck - troll "Unit SwArd"!

Misti Parker said...

The most that the Psycops can hope to do is propagandize the population to at least keep an open mind, by doubting honest testimony.

Hoagland goes a step further in getting them to doubt their own contact experiences, by having them chalk it all up to the existence of Space NAZIS.

It's all reactionary tactics based upon The Brookings Report.

Misti Parker said...

If as Hoagland preaches, that humans are descendants of beings from Mars, if not humans who went to Mars way back when, and if HAARP induced geo disasters are instead caused by Space NAZIS' torsion weapons, rather than by ET or Ruskies, then Brookings conclusion that any lesser developed society that encounters a more advanced one invariably ceases to exist in it's traditional status becomes moot.

(See if you can rephrase that all in one breath.)

Of course the very notion of God is more of an assault on their grandiose egos than they can handle, so if there is anything worse than ET it's Christ today, just as it was over two thousand yeas ago with the heads of church and state, then.

Misti Parker said...

James Obeberg is a self appointed expert on what he hasn't personally ever even encountered. What he needs is empirically proven results to support his prejudicial slander of innocent Americans. If science is unable to prove a negative, just what is it that supposedly makes him superior to science? He needs to simmer down and find a subject that he actually knows something about.

Misti Parker said...

Coincidentally in the news yesterday, the Democrat platform was presented with new changes which omit God and Israel, where they used to be included. Today, O'bama reversed his position against the will of the majority of delegates, and the terms were reinstated, due to adverse publicity and Republican criticism.

Misti Parker said...

The smartest thing that Hoagland has ever done is to shut the hell up.

Misti Parker said...

When the Antichrist takes power, he will render all of the World's weapons of mass destruction inert. Sort of like how UFOs have reportedly activated and deactivated nuclear missiles in both Russian and the United States. This is extrapolation, derived from Prophecy and not purely Scriptural, but I'm guessing that the Antichrist will introduce citizens of the World, to his allies the ETs, from whom it might be said that we are all descended. As long as those ancient relatives are subservient to the Antichrist, then the caution of Brookings will not apply.

Misti Parker said...

Of course those ETs/ancient relatives will be none other than fallen angels.

James Obeberg is probably a Satanist. Since I can't prove it any more than he can prove that UFOs aren't alien high technology, then it must be true.

FlightSuit said...

Are you, Misti, claiming you were contacted by orbs? If so, might I ask exactly what you mean when you say "orbs"?

Misti Parker said...

Phoenix Lights type, among others, Fright Suit. Scroll down. Paddycakes is already fed up with the topic.

Misti Parker said...

One way they communicate, is by mathematical choreography; repeating patterns until I recognize the pattern. Then they change it. That is to say, they can tell when I finally comprehend, which suggests telepathic ability. Other ways that they communicate is by abusing fresh corpses in hospital beds. Funny guys those Space NAZIS.

Misti Parker said...

If the US Government migrated top German scientists after WWII, then who were the Space NAZIS that broke away; the dummkopfs?

FlightSuit said...

Thanks for the clarification. When people say "orbs," the first connotation that comes to mind is the phenomenon of photographic anomalies in people's everyday family and vacation pics which the Coast-to-Coast AM crowd like to interpret as having some paranormal cause.

Chris Lopes said...

According to Hoagland (among others), we just got the guys who were playing with rockets. The folks with the anti-grav stuff went to South America, then the Moon (just in time to become villains in a kid's book by Robert Heinlein).

FlightSuit said...

The really implausible thing about such notions is that if you look at the whole of human history, you'll see that no technology ever remains secret for very long. It just does not happen. No matter how hard you try to keep a new technology secret, it WILL leak out.

If anybody had anti-gravity since WWII, or even since the 1960s, EVERYBODY would have it by now. That's just how things work in a global, technological society.

Misti Parker said...

Oh, so it was NASA who acquired the dummkopfs?

Misti Parker said...

Wrong, Fright Suit, secrets are maintained quite well, all the time. However, there is a desperate attempt to keep them from being understood when they do leak out.

How did Tesla transmit electrical power through the air? Is that a secret, or just lost knowledge?

Misti Parker said...

There are public patents for HAARP, yet you don't see gigantic antennae arrays on every ranch out in Idaho.

FlightSuit said...

But if the patents are public, they are by definition not secret. If somebody figures out how to make money out of a HAARP-like antenna array without running afoul of the FCC, they will surely build one.

Yes, knowledge does get lost, but it also tends to be rediscovered.

FlightSuit said...

Chevron Corporation bought the patent for an electric car battery just so they could prevent anybody from ever using that patent to build an electric car that would threaten their oil business, and to this day that particular patent has not been used in the production of any car.

But has that prevented the Tesla Roadster, Nissan Leaf, Ford Focus Electric, and various other electric cars from coming to market?

Nope.

Every attempt to suppress a new and viable technology is likely to fail.

Biological_Unit said...

Anti-Gravity exists as a hoax. I don't have to disprove it.
If Misti/HHMSS SwOrd says it exists, you have been successfully TROLLED!

Biological_Unit said...

How did Tesla transmit electrical power through the air?

You can SEE it IN ACTION at the Ontario Science Center! You can see it every time you look at a Cell Phone antenna cluster!

Misti Parker said...

The Tesla car does not draw power from the Ionosphere.

You cannot power your home from cell phone towers, as far as anybody has demonstrated yet, but that might be something worth looking into.

Old desert rats have thrown together shacks under big power lines. They watch TV without even plugging in the sets. Of course they tend to die early from cancer.

Science has yet to prove what gravity actually is, so until then, how can you have anti gravity?

Chris Lopes said...

"How did Tesla transmit electrical power through the air? Is that a secret, or just lost knowledge?"

The technology exists and is out in the open. In fact, the people studying this stuff have gone beyond Tesla (who didn't know anything about microwaves or lasers) by quite a bit. The problem is the power efficiency of the process. Too much power is lost in the transmission phase.

I remember quite clearly such things being discussed in relation to solar power satellites. The idea was that satellite power stations would be put in orbit (this was back when everyone thought the Shuttle would make LEO dirt cheap to get to) and the power would be beamed (via microwave) to receiving stations (several square kilometers in size as I recall) on Earth. So the idea was hardly hidden from sight.

Misti Parker said...

I doubt if what you are talking about Topher, is the same as what Tesla was tapping into. The satellite power transmitters in Space I think would make a diabolical weapon, but prove extremely hazardous for general consumer applications. Nobody has produced originals or even copies of Tesla's actual papers. As usual, you spin mundane horse biscuits.

Misti Parker said...

Shell Oil owns the patent for solar energy collectors, Fright Suit, which coincidentally are constructed largely from petroleum. Manufacturers have to pay licensing fees, which are deliberately calculated to make solar more expensive than oil.

Biological_Unit said...

Shell Oil is going to assassinate you!

Misti Parker said...

You can't kill a ghost.

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