Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Mike Bara, Olympian insulter

        I guess I was supposed to tremble in my shoes when Mike Bara posted this, at about 17:00 PDT last night:

"Dear douchebags who have been attacking my integrity and claiming that I (or Richard C. Hoagland) faked the Daedalus Ziggurat photo. Please watch my blog this evening. I am going to utterly and completly destroy you and your insipid "analysis." I am going to prove that NASA are the ones that have faked their image. I am going to expose you as the idiots you are.

Other than that, have a nice day."

I didn't tremble, I went to bed. I woke up to this bid for the Gold Medal in insults. This was my reply:

"You seem to have somehow got hold of the idea that, when debating issues with scientists, the person who comes up with the most inventive personal insults wins. This is not the case -- it is in fact the reverse of the case. Objective and knowledgeable people reading the issues from both sides will reject the arguments of insulters automatically.

I was glad to see you finally come up with a source of the faked "ziggurat" image you "enhanced" before passing it to RCH (What was the nature of that "enhancement," Mike?) The source is an extremely unreliable blog, which acknowledges that it is NOT the original source. The original source is a fanatical religious blog called "themurkynews." The ziggy is presented there along with this one:


Now that we know this, it's even more staggering that you saw fit to include this image in a published work which masquerades as fact. On this basis I now accuse you of total irresponsibility and I call on you to withdraw this shoddy piece of internet rubbish from your book.

I will leave Dr. Stuart Robbins to respond in detail to your accusations, and I sincerely hope he will find the time. What is entirely missing from your diatribe is any reference to the image of the same area of the Moon taken by the Narrow Angle Camera of Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. As you know, this image is of good quality and EIGHTY TIMES BETTER RESOLUTION than the Apollo image you mistrust. It shows conclusively that there is no ziggurat at that location. Again, your failure to inspect, comment upon, or even acknowledge this image exposes you as an irresponsible propagandist.

Mike, you have chosen to write on scientific topics without having the education or knowledge to do so accurately. The predictable result is that you have made absolutely unforgivable factual errors. It does no good whatsoever for you to then insult your critics and accuse them of being homosexual as though that were an insult. When you make gross errors in science, your errors are going to be pointed out. It's not a question of hate, and I assure you none of your critics is afraid of you, or "scared of the truth" as you often claim.

I note with amusement that, after completing the long blog-post last night, you messaged your Facebook friends with "When I create a masterpiece such as this and smite my enemies, I love me some me...." My advice to you is, when composing childish self-congratulatory texts such as that, proof-read one more time.

If you have any integrity, you will allow this comment to appear on your blog."
        I've waited four hours in case Mike Bara has any integrity. It seems not. I'm really glad to see that Dr Stuart Robbins has also replied, in detail.

92 comments:

Trekker said...

Excellent response as usual, Expat!

Chris Lopes said...

I still don't understand why Bara is even getting into this fight. He's in way over his head, so the more he fights the dumber he looks. I don't see an upside for him.

astroguy said...

I think if anyone actually does read my admittedly very long post, they will see I made him look pretty dumb. He knows zilch about image processing other than someone who's played with Photoshop every now-and-then and made some very clear mistakes about image noise, detail, and dynamic range.

And yet, his FB followers are heaping praise upon him.

Binaryspellbook said...

Dr Robbins took Bara's rebuttal to pieces. But Bara will most probably never print any comments except supportive ones.

Binaryspellbook said...

Astroguy. I took the time to read it mate. All of it. Yes indeed you made him look like a dunce. And take heart. They are losing disciples due in no short measure to Expat and yourself.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the true scientists. lol ziggurat in the moon? why? who in the right mind will build it? space age race's would rather build habitable spaces rather than stairs to some god in the sky...

good work. i hate ignorant new age rubbish.

Trekker said...

Good point, Anonymous. The 'worshippers' at this ziggurat would have had to live nearby - where are their homes? How did they build the ziggurat? Where are the quarries and evidence of mining/building/factories, etc.?

Obviously Bara and Hoagland haven't thought through to the logical conclusion of what a ziggurat on the moon would imply or the infrastructure it would necessitate.

Binaryspellbook said...

This time Bara is accusing Lt Cmdr Data of being a homo. Methinks he protests too much.

jourget said...

Seems to me that making a demonstrably fraudulent image with no legitimate provenience whatsoever "a centerpiece of [his] new book", as Mike claims on his blog, illustrates better than many critics ever could the quality of Mike's work. That he could shoehorn such a sketchy image into his book and rate it as a "centerpiece" doesn't really inspire much in the way of confidence for the final product.

Mike Bara is a lot like a kid playing scientist in his father's lab coat. It's cute and amusing for a while, but if the kid ever goes too far and tries to play with the Bunsen burner or give lectures at conferences, he needs to be reminded that he doesn't really know anything at all. That he apparently considers his blog post to represent an ironclad debunking of his critics made me less mad than kind of...incredulous. And expat, thanks so much for putting that airplane thought in my head. The last thing I need after going through the TSA process is thinking that someone may have had a hand in designing my aircraft who butchers rational thought so thoroughly he looks like he has some kind of disability.

Trekker said...

Mike has removed Esteban's post, where he linked to Stuart's rebuttal. Lol! I wonder why?

He's also claiming that 'there are ruins and artifacts' all over the image.

Is he too lazy to point them out?

Esteban Navarro said...

I don´t think that´s the point, pals. Magic is magic . " They" could use incredible magic -rays in their spiritual spaceships on the Moon or...whatever. All this thing is a bad intent to make a bad copy from Kubrick´s master piece "2001, a Space Odissey..."(A religious-New wave-false nietzscheatic-lisergic film )that revolutioned the history of visual efects and Sy-Fy films in the late sixties ,no more, no less).

Bara takes even further the idea of a religious discourse halfway between religion, magic, homespun science and an unbearable conspiracy theory. Scientology should ask for copyright, but do not [Can you see how harmless they really are, flightsuit?;)]

They hate and deny the relativism of Einstein as well as the evolution of species or the idea of ​​Chaos or non-linear thermodynamics of Ylya Prigogine , because it opposes his speech, like the discoveries of Galileo opposed the fundaments of their "sense of life" and reality, (not really indeed , but fundamentalism behaves that way...)

Whenever religion and science, two totally dissimilar human disciplines, like architecture and music ,seemed to live together in peace, return these inquisitors fucking beating around the bush again...only to make money with books and "lectures".

For instance:"Well, I call The Choice the “Unified Field Theory” of physics and metaphysics. My premise is that all of the so-called “laws of physics”—Newton, Einstein, and Quantum theory—are wrong. The true physics of the Universe is based on something called hyper-dimensional physics, which includes higher dimensions beyond this one. All energy comes from these higher dimensions, and since our thoughts are nothing but electromagnetic energy, that means that consciousness is also driven by communication with a higher dimension. A higher self, I guess you’d call it. We are connected to these higher dimensions through a field of energy that exists all around us".

Mike Bara dixit. http://newpagebooks.blogspot.com.es/2010/09/we-are-very-excited-to-be-able-to-share.html

They hate Scientific-materialism and scientific method to research the "Truth". They can not avoid. I'm going before you noticed I´m a marxist. But not before letting you this link that explains all this thing better than I can ever dream:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnANQ9ylQQ

Anonymous said...

Have you guys checked out Hoagland's stooge who has a blog called the secret sun? Man its full of this stuff. It's very entertaining to watch them blunder all of physics and science to explain the "lights" in the sky with comic books and movies. lol

Esteban Navarro said...

I feel very honored to announce that I have been Banned and censored in Bara´s FB after only two comments [not a single insult from my part, Expat ;)]. It´s my pride and satisfaction, as it comes from an illiterate chicken like him.

Anonymous said...

Bara said "I do however know enough about image enhancement to know a few things that are relevant." if he knew anything about image enhancement or photoshop in general, his book wouldn't have that shoddy ass cover. I hope whoever created the original ziggurat hoax picture sues him for copyright infringement.

Biological_Unit said...

Mike Bara is becoming a train wreck.

Biological_Unit said...

“Having found the image a few days before, I had already decided to make it a centerpiece of my new book “This Book will never be Published if people understand Words and their Meanings".”

Chris Lopes said...

I notice that Hoagland himself (the guy who made such a big deal about it on C2C) hasn't commented on any of this (beyond his, "I must have hit a nerve" nonsense). He's letting Bara (perhaps the least scientifically qualified carbon based life form in the known universe) defend this crap. You'd think that with all his "experience" in dealing with such issues, he'd be front and center on both Enterprise Mission and his FB page with this. Of course the fact that there is a real astronomer involved in this controversy might have something to do with his reluctance to get into the fight beyond some behind the scenes cheer-leading. Hoagland was never very good at dealing with people who actually knew what they were talking about. Bara is just too dim to know that he isn't either.

James Concannon said...

Don't be silly Chris. RCH is way too busy working on that "paper."

Trekker said...

Looks like Mike is in a pickle, judging by his FB page. He's slowly realizing he's in over his head, and doesn't know how to get himself out of the hole he's dug himself into.

Expat, have you written to his publisher, pointing out the fraudulent nature of this image that he intends using as the highlight of his book?

expat said...

No, I haven't, although I've been tempted. As a writer myself I'd be furious if one of my critics denounced me to a publisher who had my MS in his hands.

But don't let me stop anyone else. The e-mail address is:

info@adventuresunlimitedpress.com

Anonymous said...

adventures unlimited? David Childress? lol this is not worth even sending an email. The publisher is also a wack job.

I mean c'mon the likes of William Henry and the rest been published by this publisher. It's pseudo science galore.

Esteban Navarro said...

I betrayed all my principles. I even interacted with the brother of Mike Bara to try to get that preacher and arrogant snake reply or assume his dialectical defeat in front of Astroguy . I despise myself, somebody shot me, Please.

expat said...

I thought the chicken was pretty good.

Binaryspellbook said...

Esteban,

Twin brother "Dave" actually challenged me to a fight for having the nerve to call his brother out as a fraud. I still have the screenshot. Sort of funny.

Binaryspellbook said...

To whom it may concern,

Your publishing company should be aware that Mike Bara, plans on making a demonstrably faked image of a "ziggurat" on the Moon the centrepiece of his upcoming book. Those are his words, not mine. He claims he "found" the image on the web, enhanced it (somehow) and passed it on to Richard Hoagland for further "enhancement." From this Bara claims proof positive that NASA are liars, and that the vastly higher resolutions from NASA themselves have been photoshopped, and that the image he found on the web is the original. Needless to say that the NASA images show no such ziggurat, nor anything resembling a pyramidal structure.

When challenged on this, Bara referred to his critics, myself included, as "douchebags and homosexuals, who are insignificant, petty and jealous of his fame, and TV appearances on the Ancient Aliens series. He also took time to tell me the swanky location in which he lives, and indeed what make of BMW he drives.
I have all this on record via email should you be interested to see what your latest signing is actually like as a person.

Bara and Hoagland's entire nonsense was taken apart by Dr Robbins on his blog and on youtube. Bara blogged a rebuttal, with the usual reference to douchebags and the like. This rebuttal was swiftly knocked out the ballpark again by Dr Robbins on his blog.

Please take the time to read and digest the links above, and carefully consider where Adventures Unlimited want to place themselves as a company. Either in the hands of demonstrable liars and narrow minded, unqualified bigots. Or remain a respectable publishing house.

Regards
Derek James Eunson.
YouTube - Videos from this email

Binaryspellbook said...

Anon,

Yes indeed they have a few whackos writing for them, but I refuse to throw in the towel and NOT write an email. That's like saying "oh well fuck it the pseuds win."

Derek

strahlungsamt said...

Mike Bara shared a link.
Monday near Auburn, WA

Everyone who can please go to this link and download this image before NASA has a chance to replace it. Please save it in a safe place.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS11/38/5564.jpg
www.lpi.usra.edu

Binaryspellbook said...

Mike Bara So whoever you are, I did just skim"Dr." Robbins rebuttal, and I laughed my ass off. I'm not sure I want to take the time to respond to such a weak rebuttal, actually. But I am thinking about a response to his claims about the red stripe on Data's Head. We'll see.
16 minutes ago · Like

Catriona MacLeod I am curious Mike. You put quotation marks around Dr in the above post. Does this mean that "Dr" Robbins isn't actually a real PhD ? LOL - THAT would be funny.
A few seconds ago · Like

Binaryspellbook said...

Mike Bara
28 minutes ago via Twitter

Dear Dr. Robbins; I apologize. I thought you were just another dumbass like expat. I had no idea you were actually a paid NASA shill. My bad.


Oh Dear. Seems Mikey boy is really struggling now.

Binaryspellbook said...

Catriona MacLeod I've just received a pm from someone I don't know. Claiming that the ziggurat structure on the moon is phoney, and, he has proof because he (I assume it's a he) created it years ago. He claims to have proof and still has the in-between steps of the creation process on a zip drive. Whatever the heck that is.

Not sure why he picked me to tell. I don't want anything to do with all this fighting. I'd rather just amuse myself by watching. lol
Mike, will I get this "Ironsky" person to send me his pics. I'm sure you would be able to tell if it's original or not. I'm also sure, whoever he is. Will be reading this, so perhaps pics won't be forthcoming. But I could try ?

Cantra x

Chris Lopes said...

Dr. Robbins has gone from dumb ass to NASA shill, interesting. I think what that really means is Mikey has finally figured out just how deep in the pool he has waded and needs to back out without "losing". So he's using the old (as in Hoagland has been using it forever) "you know what you are talking about so you are part of the conspiracy!!!!!!!!!" ploy. My bet would be that he won't bother answering Dr. Robbin's rebuttal.

Binaryspellbook said...

Mikey's FB page is fun today.
Don't you think.

expat said...

Priceless....

Chris Lopes said...

Mike's got the "I'm so important that TPTB are expending vast resources to stop me" meme down quite well. With Hoagland it's merely ridiculous, with Bara it becomes pure comedy gold.

Trekker said...

Let's see how long Dil Smith lasts:

"So anyone who doesnt agree with you is either a douchebag or a government shill? What if you're just wrong? I don't see why you get so defensive."

Binaryspellbook said...

When asked about his employment status in aerospace. Design engineer or cad cam operator, MIke replied.

Mike Bara Perrys: My 30 years in aerospace has taught me that education and intelligence are 2 completely different things.

jourget said...

Oooh, that doesn't bode well. Kind of like "They can't reject my paper for Icarus, I'm a member of MENSA!"

Binaryspellbook said...

jourget,

I read the above as. Ok I was a cad cam operator, and was green with envy at the engineers. So I decided that they were all fucking idiots, just like physicists are.

Misti Parker said...

What's so bad about fruitcake?

Misti Parker said...

Kevin Carpenter
Just listened to the last coast interview, but had to turn it off because it was getting annoying. Just FYI Richard, I think you're brilliant, been following your work for 15 yrs, love the data, love the science, love the scope & vision, think you're spot on. But in my opinion, talking over everyone else, cutting other guests off in mid sentence, and not letting them even finish their thought is so rude, inconsiderate and unprofessional. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just once in awhile, but it's like during every comment. C'mon man, didn't you ever learn Roberts Rules of Order here. Have a little respect for others (who also have valid opinions) and give them their fair share, at the very least let them finish their thought before blasting them. Take some pointers from George. Don't let your ego start getting the better of you, cause for a fan like me, it's really starting to get annoying, and the frequency seems to be increasing from your earlier interviews. Just FYI. Still love ya man :-)

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Suzanne Thomas, Sartaj Randhawa, Marcel Cindy Barbezat and 4 others like this.

John James Baker
he ain't here any more, been a long time...
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Kevin Carpenter
I met Mike Barra once, he's kinda the same way, quite smug with an inflatable head. And funny thing was, he was making fun of Richard during the talk. ha ha. I guess it just goes with the spotlit territory.

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Marc Jones
Oh dear , shortly this post will be removed the last one like this had Rch extremely upset he called those who didnt give to his project ' damned tight fisted .... Then explained that he hasnt been on because RCH Enterprises was being set up as a proprietry entity to ensure results would be patented ... Then went on about some euphemism regards a little red hen. Bless him i think hes under a lot of stress.

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Marc Jones
Btw it was my post two nights ago and he must have thought better of slagging of his 'fanpage' I shall presumably be blocked now ..

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David Clarke
apparantly curiosity was 180 pounds heavier than expected!!

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Kevin Carpenter
I'm not slamming him. It's just constructive criticism. It's human nature for people to act this way when in the spotlight for so long. I just want him to know that I still totally love love love him and his work, and 80% of the time love listening to him on the radio. But it's that 20% that just makes me cringe sometimes, and it's always linked to when he interrupts other guests before letting them finish their thought. It's just not cool.

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Trekker said...

Sara Bilgri: "What a treat! I LOVE to watch Mike Bara pretend to be competent! I do believe what we have here is a classic inferiority complex, folks! You see, not being what you'd call a "catch" for the majority of his life, now that Mike's FINALLY got something to be semi-proud of (one unscientific not-quite-bestseller and two more that sold even less-well done sir!) he tends to trumpet his "bad-ass" qualities as though people still care about this kind of stuff after they're 19. "I drive a neat car!" "I put my arms around women!" Yes, Mike, you truly are a scientist. I'm also impressed by the fact that the image you "found" on the Internet somewhere is now a "centerpiece" of your new opus. Please, WHEN will the award ceremony be held? Despite all of this, I think the most hilarious part is your several-dozen blind followers. Seriously, you guys are like kids crawling around the backyard with magnifying glasses and insisting that the brick fragments you find are the remains of Pompeii. Harmless, to be sure, but SOOOOO cute to watch! Don't you EVER stop! This is one of my favorite comedy sites on the Internet!"

Followed by:

"Whether a person see/can't see them is a separate issue. Science isn't a Magic Eye painting. Mike needs to PROVE that they exist. Pointing at things that he thinks he sees in a NASA photo, and then calling people douchebags is not even close to being science. Hell, dissecting a fetal pig in 8th grade is more science than that. Even if people here are open to different ideas, does ANYONE think this is a way to bring those views to the fore? Thanks to the Internet, he's the 21st century equivalent of a crazy man ranting on the corner with a sandwich board."

Anonymous said...

Man I love this site. The comments are the best treat. I've been waiting for people of like mindedness to show up in the blog scenes. Now the trauma of watching these clowns get away with insanity is over. You guys deserve some compliments.

Damn every time I hear Richard I get so annoyed. His "goody two shoes" noise box and his beard. Yuck. He's like a deranged man with 70's coat suit.

As for Mike Bara, he is a treat. I love to watch him make a complete fool of himself in front of intellects. lol

Anonymous said...

chk out what he posted: Bara's spaceship
there is now a space ship in the nasa photo's

Tara Jordan said...

No offense intended but I am wondering why do you take these 2 imbeciles (Bara -Hoagland)so seriously?.Hoagland is a snake oil peddler, his egomania overshadows his arrogance & sheer quackery.Bara is an intellectual midget who never hit puberty. His intense animosity towards homosexuals is the reflection & expression of a severe pathology (probably a self hating closet homosexual with a serious inferiority complex)

Chris Lopes said...

Anon,
Oh goody, not just a space ship, but the one from Planet of the Apes! I wonder if the aeronautical engineer/CADCAM technician could explain why a spacecraft on the Moon would need to be aerodynamic. Of course Mikey didn't think of that, he's too busy taking night courses at the George Haas School of Xenoarchaeology. The specific course he's taking is Pareidolia 101.

Trekker said...

Lol, this gets better and better! From Sara Bilgri again:

"Laura, Free speech, yes. Granted, this is a somewhat circumscribed version since, as we've seen, Mike can call people douchebags and dumbasses and then ban their responses. I fully expect myself to disappear shortly. Nevertheless, I would agree with the notion that he has a right to say what he wants and no one should be able to stop him. I'm not trying to stop him (as my first post says, I think he's comic gold). The hostility stems from Mike's apparent idea that insults constitute a scientific rebuttal. Someone asks a legitimate question, and Mike usually squirts milk at them from across the lunch table (metaphorically) and doesn't answer the question. He's basically a balding, 50-year-old child who never got past the high school book-dumping phase. In many cases, it's a relief. Behavior like that ensures that no one will ever take him seriously. And in other ways it's understandable because when Mike tries to do science, it's actually MORE embarrassing. His argument that the ziggurat existed was pretty much just a demonstration of someone fumbling around misunderstanding how to use a mass-market computer program. Auteur!! Auteur!! So once again, Mike's a joke. An ENTERTAINING joke, but an incompetent clown just the same."

expat said...

Tara, it's a fair point. I would say in my defense that, firstly, this blog is not all that serious -- you may have noticed some wry humor here and there.

But also, it's totally obvious that there are disciples who simply are not equipped to evaluate what these two clowns say and write. The fact that they both get regular access to the public media creates a need for someone to point out that the Emperor is not only naked but impotent, too.

Anonymous said...

watch from 30 - 1:34 min.

"as a scientist, technician, engineer"

"as a scientist,...

Tara Jordan said...

expat
I was teasing you,I appreciate the idea & concept of going after these lunatics but i hope you wont waste a substantial amount of your intellectual bandwidth while doing it ;) We could do a cooperative paper on Hoagland`s allegations of his "friendly personal relations" with Carl Sagan.I Have access to individuals who worked with Carl & used to be very intimate with him

expat said...

Sean David Morton is a criminal, basically. He wouldn't have the first clue what science involves.

Tara: OK, I assure you this is no effort for me. I'm a professional writer/editor/translator and it's just like doing crosswords, exercise for the part of the brain that makes language. I too had a professional relationship with Carl Sagan but unlike RCH I don't brag about it.

astroguy said...

To answer a few questions:

Yes, I have been watching Bara's FB page all day. Humour ensues.

Yes, I have updated my original smack-down post of Bara's "smack-down" post -- search for "Edited to Add" to read the edits.

Yes, I agree that when Bara realized it wasn't Mr. Robbins but an actual Dr. Robbins with a degree who knew what he was talking about, a tiny part of his mind must have p----d itself. Hence, I went from "buffoonm" "wannabe," "hater," etc. to "NASA shill." Which, as we all know, means now that none of my analysis nor debunking of him can be trusted so he doesn't have to address it at all. (See the first "edited to add" on my blog post.)

And Chris, don't be too hard on Catriona. She's actually on our side but trying not to get banned. I did the same thing for awhile on Michael Horn's blog a year or two ago under a pseudonym, praising his genius and defending him while trying to get him to actually supply hard evidence. I did throw up a little every time I had to praise him, though.

And, I do this because I find it interesting, somewhat funny, and I think it's one of those teachable moments. I'm putting out a part 1 of 2 podcast episode momentarily on image processing and anomalies, and part 2 will focus more to the point on this kind of stuff.

Binaryspellbook said...

I found a picture of what resembles the faked ziggy on the moon. It's from the film Iron Sky. Yes, Nazis on the moon and all that. I shall pass it on to Catriona so that she can post it as "stunning confirmation" of the 3 foot space-nazis who build shit theory.

If she can keep her extremely sharp talons in and doesn't get banned.

Cantra said...

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4354/naziziggyonthemoon.jpg

Cantra said...

Beat you to it old man. <3

Cantra said...

Posted.

Tara Jordan said...

Expat.Its quite a diplomatic way to say
1) I dont need you Tara to write an expose
2) Unlike you Tara, I am not bragging about it ;)

But I digress ;) I wasnt aware of your relation with Uncle Carl.Personnally,I am way too young to have known the man.

Do you have an email or Facebook, I would love to have a conversation off channel with you

expat said...

Tara, I haven't the slightest trace of any resentment toward you, neither do I have any sense of superiority.

I'd be OK with an off-channel chat but I can't post an e-mail address here. Call me paranoid, but I do spend a lot of time criticizing someone who has already threatened to sue James Concannon for "cyber-stalking." But if you post yours, I'll get in touch.

Chris Lopes said...

I've joined the ranks of the banned from Bara's FB page. I'm a little disappointed Bara didn't even bother calling me a homophobic name on my way out, but what can you do.

It took me a lot less time to get banned from his page than from Hoagland's. I guess Mike just has a lot thinner skin C2C's "science adviser". Of course he has a lot more to be thin skinned about. :)

Anonymous said...

Hey man,

There is a clear distinction between stalking and criticizing.

You are a CRITIC!!! People like Hoagland, Bara, and the rest seem to think that we still live in the "pre-internet era". The fact is we don't. And so they can't ride our hybridized mind with their garbage. You know these so called "experts, and insiders" should know that having a vivid imagination doesn't make them scientific or doesn't make their so called "theories" true. There is a process where you need to prove your theories with repeated experiments and evidence. And therefore after many many peer reviews and scrutiny it becomes an accepted law.

Also, Hoagland and Bara also don't have real imagination. They copy the works of Arthur C Clarke, Isaac Asimov, and the rest of the classic science fiction writers and think that the generation haven't read these stories. In fact most of Hoagland's work is copied from Clarke. What a piece of work he is.

Don't fear your position. You are an educated CRITIC!!!

expat said...

Chris, I guess Mike had to get you outta there before you had a chance to respond to Catriona's very artful set-up "If you can show me ONE thing mathematically that Mike has said that is wrong. I shall examine it closely and either slap you a big one on the nose, or retreat."

Pity, really.

expat said...

And now Mike is setting more low standards of vomit-inducing writing.

To Sarah Bilgri: "God Sarah I just looked at you pictures on your Facebook page. Please don't reproduce. You are just too ugly to be allowed to have children."

...ten minutes later...

"[Sarah's] attacks are personal, sarcastic and just plain viscious [sic], whether they have any basis in fact or not. You just have to remember that this kind of anger directed at someone she doesn't even know says more about her than me."

Chris Lopes said...

Expat,
I see Bara has the same sense of irony as Hoagland.

As to my sudden exit from his FB page, I suspect it was a combination of him not wanting to have his mistakes actually listed and the "dumbass CADCAM technician pretending to be an engineer" comment. Like Hoagland, he can't handle people who know just how limited his background is.

expat said...

Looks like we're in for another round of infantile insults...

Bara: HAHAHAHA Haters!!!!! I have you now. I shall be merciless, and slow.

Thank you Universe for loving me!
(posted 16:00 today)

Chris Lopes said...

I'm always amazed at people on the Internet who think that insults coming from total strangers (and strangers one has no respect for at that) actually mean anything. It's hard to take seriously the words written by a man who's already proven himself incapable of abstract thought. So let's all sit back and watch as Mikey engages in a rather vigorous round of verbal (and otherwise) self pleasure.

jourget said...

I can't believe the nuts on Bara's page are now focusing on Curiosity's first rear Hazcam image as showing "something" that was later edited out. "I just don't trust 'em", declares one scholar.

Most apparently aren't even waiting four days to see if there just may be a rational explanation. In this case, it's almost certainly a cloud of some sort from the crash of the skycrane, which will probably be clarified during tomorrow's (Friday's) 10AM PST press briefing. As seen on the HiRISE image of the debris field and confirmed by the descent stage's programming, it's in exactly the right place.

Research is just what they WANT you to do. I'm playing right into their hands.

strahlungsamt said...

OK NASA - EXPLAIN THIS!!!!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8fzfpCWQw1r7jy7zo1_400.jpg

Some person (who can't be identified for fear of his life) who works in NASA, sent me in this picture and I was dumbfounded. Here is STUNNING CONFIRMATION of ALIEN LIFE ON MARS!!! and NASA IS "HIDING IT".
Where's Hoagie and Mike when you need them?

Anonymous said...

It's always the same story with these two frauds. When a robot lands on Mars it's because of amazing human achievement at the right time in history and could not possibly be faked in anyway, but when something fails it's because of space nazis or it's been taken "deep black" whilst the public gets fed lies. When a photo doesn't show anything it's because it's low-res, or color drained, or poor technology, or not enough pixels, or the good stuff has been deliberately airbrushed out - but then when a photo shows the slightest anomaly in any way, shape or form, it is "stunning confirmation" of moon domes or tetrahedron spaceships: the resolution is ALWAYS just good enough, the color is NEVER an issue, technology is good enough standard to capture it etc etc; no matter if its a photo taken by an astronaut on the moon or by a satellite from thousands of miles away. Their sheeple without a brain cell between them will believe whatever they want to believe and see whatever they want to see. No amount of reason or logic or inquisitive thought is gonna change that... and don't these two clowns know it all too well! Like I said: they'll be riding the Curiosity wave for as long as they possibly can until something more stunning comes along to drop it for.

Anonymous said...

Expat et al,

We live in the best of times. We are experiencing unprecedented events in history. The Curiosity mission is according to some news agencies "flawless". The speed in which NASA is updating the public on their information and pictures is awesome to say the least.

As for the Bara-Hoagland camp well ignorance will not be tolerated in an information age. We are a scientific community and these "opportunist" can try to milk the ignorant heard of some attention and money but not us.

Hyper-dimensional physics is a code word for "i failed in grade 5 physics, math and science". Lunar anomalies and martian pyramid cities are just the ignorant meme for "my eye sight don't work and this is what i see". Its a new type of disease that haven't been acknowledged and recognized by the scientific community because it might deprive these handicap nuts of any sort of living so the scientific minded look the other way.

I can't wait for today's NASA mission brief on NASA tv.

jourget said...

Space.com ran an article today spanking Hoagland and pointing out how likely it is that Curiosity will serve up a buffet of pareidolia.

http://www.space.com/17029-why-mars-rover-curiosity-find-martians.html

strahlungsamt said...

I think somebody's backed up against the wall. :)

Mike Bara
3 hours ago near Auburn, WA

If any of my Facebook friends receive a message from a "James Concannon" or "Neville Parchemin" please report them to Facebook for harrassment. I understand one or both of them has already sent messages to all my Facebook friends attacking me and they are trying to get my account suspended. This is part of an organized campaign. Please block and report them. So far, only some of my female friends have reported getting messages from them, so be on the lookout.

Chris Lopes said...

I guess since Bara can't actually defend his nonsense, he's going the Hoagland route of argument by persecution complex. He has learned well from the Master.

jourget said...

Expat, I recall that in a past comment section, you had offered a rough estimate of the take-home royalties that Hoagland and Bara may have received from sales of Dark Mission, suggesting that each co-author may have only earned about $30,000.

Here's a follow-up question: How do you think that performance compares with The Choice? In the About the Author blurb under Ancient Aliens on the Moon on Amazon, it is noted that Dark Mission has sold "over 50,000 copies to date" and that The Choice has sold "10,000 copies (est.) since October of 2010".

All other things being equal, could that mean that if Dark Mission paid the authors $60,000 for 50,000 copies, The Choice might only have put $12,000 in Mike's pocket? Additionally, The Choice seems to be selling for even less than the older Dark Mission, with current Amazon prices of $17.13 for DM and $10.87 for TC.

Thanks for any info you can provide. If that level of income is even remotely accurate, Mike had better either do a lot of speaking engagements or step up the writing to about 5 books a year, or that BMW won't last.

"Saw myself on 'Repo Kings' last night. God, I love seeing myself on TV."

Chris Lopes said...

jourget,

There are a couple of things you have to keep in mind when trying to evaluate the performance of "The Choice". First, whatever he's making from it, he doesn't have to share with Hoagland. Second, even if it didn't sell well (and I wouldn't think 10,000 copies is anything to sneeze at given the limited market he's in), he has another book under his belt to use as street cred with publishers. That's 3 books (counting Aliens on the Moon) in a little over 5 years, compared to Hoagland's 2 books in 4 decades. Granted, the books are pure crap, but they are made of paper and you can buy them in a store. :)

expat said...

Jourget: $12,000 is over-generous for Bara's likely income from 'The Choice.' As Chris points out, it is heavily discounted. Try $10,000.

expat said...

For those following the on-going comedy on the Bara-Boo page, I want you to know that I have not personally reported Mike for violating ToS.

Tara Jordan said...

Mike Bara "I've outwitted NASA's best Phd.'s multiple times...."
Extraordinary statement from a man who has an IQ below dog's shit

jourget said...

Ah! Thank you. See, the publishing rate illustrates the difference between Bara and Hoagland. Based on his execrable responses to detractors in pretty much every venue, Bara doesn't care how he presents himself to anyone who may be of actual scientific standing. I think he's less of a "true believer" than Hoagland, is solely in it for the money, and is thus able to punch out book after book in order to keep the cash flowing. This is not to say Mike believes *none* of it, having worked with RCH for so many years, but that he's less concerned with proving himself than he is about the finer things in life.

Hoagland, on the other hand, believes wholeheartedly in his own gospel. He's careful not to be too abrasive, though he's just as thorough in dismissing every single criticism that's levied against him. Nevertheless, his focus on pretending that he's doing real science has severely handicapped him in the publishing department. His own writings are so dry and inconsistent that he's trapped between two worlds: too boring for the fringe mainstream (oxymoron?) and too incoherent and incompetent for any kind of legitimate recognition. Bara's main contribution was to make the insanity palatable for publishers in the form of Dark Mission. Now that they've gone their separate ways, it will be fun to watch how they feed off each other.

Trekker said...

And the adolescent-level vanity, Tara:

"Ugh. Looked bad in that one. Plus they shot me from my bad side and lied to me about what we were talking about. I didn't even know the camera was on. Must hit gym..."

FlightSuit said...

QUOTE:

My original pyramid image “as1120pyramid20smallue2.jpg” came from the Call of Duty Zombies forum.
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Well there you have it, haters and skeptics. He got it from a rock-solid source.

expat said...

As laughable as that is, that wasn't even the ultimate source. It traces back to themurkynews. Murky indeed.

Chris Lopes said...

jourget,
I'm not sure I believe that Hoagland is still a believer in his own BS. At first he may have been, but I don't think he does now. You're right though, Bara isn't a believer (in anything besides Mike Bara) and never was. He just saw a chance to reach Hoagland's audience.

I think you nailed the writing dynamic well. Hoagland can't put together a coherent paragraph to save his life, while Bara is competent enough to make his work readable. Not filling your prose with a lot of make believe math and science certainly makes the work easier to get through. Hoagland is too busy trying to show us how smart he is for any of his writing to work. That's the problem with his gas bag presentations as well.

Cantra said...

I think I'm rumbled boys. Sorry, but I tried. But on a lighter note. Jamie wanted me to be your Lady Macbeth. I failed in the manipulation of our subject. But I tried, as did the other two witches. We did get him a bit shaky though ?

Cantra x

expat said...

Yep, you're busted luv. But it was great while it lasted. Thanks a bunch.

astroguy said...

I dunno ... Mike to me really seems to be a true believer. I know he quashes anyone who even starts to show how he's wrong, but he really seems to be more of a believer than Hoagland.

Tara Jordan said...

Expat.
I asked my friend at NASA Ames Research Center if there is any way to prevent frauds like Hoagland & Mike Bara from using Photoshopped NASA pictures to promote theirs crappy books & ridiculous theories

jourget said...

astroguy,

Is Bara then just that much more angry than Hoagland? If he really is a believer in everything, then he has to know that he has no hope of inciting a great revolution of truth or the "year of disclosure" that Hoagland's always confident is right around the corner. RCH is at least giving lip service to the fact that you have to write papers and conduct experiments to be a real scientist. Granted, RCH is *horrible* at doing the above coherently, but you can tell he wants to be seen as a legitimate researcher.

Mike, on the other hand, is basically just a waste of space. He writes and speaks but does nothing approaching an impression of science, even stopping short of having a decent *conversation*. I guess my view is that if he is a believer, then he's either too angry at "the other side" to care in the slightest if he ever convinces anyone outside his own small circle, or he thinks RCH is doing the job of proving himself and Bara right, and his job is to make some bucks.

expat said...

Bara's job is to pick up starlets. Being on TV is maximally useful in that endeavor, and as I've remarked before, judged purely as a performer Mike's pretty good at that. He's been hinting at some great new opportunity and my hope is that it's performance of some kind and nothing to do with science. If that's the case, good luck to him. If it's a continuation of his mangling of the truth, this blog will have many more postings.

astroguy said...

My impression (again, impression, not knowledge) is that Mike got enamored with what Hoagland promoted and really is a true believer. Combine that with an utter lack of ability to conduct an informed conversation/dialog/argument, and you get what we see.

Chris Lopes said...

Again, I must disagree. Mike got enamored with the Hoagland's audience more than his ideas. His inability to argue (no Mike, using homophobic epitaphs is not an argument) stems from his total lack of interest in the actual science of the topic. Where as Hoagland is trying to form an online cult of personality, Bara just wants to make money and pick up women.

astroguy said...

Agree to disagree. Unless he's doing a multi-year social experiment and will reveal in the future, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Anonymous said...

Mike Bara is a moron.

FlightSuit said...

I'm amazed that Tara Jordan hasn't been banned from Bara's Facebook.