Wednesday, September 15, 2010


       Hoagland & Bara have a great technique for making themselves appear to be much more on-the-ball than they really are. They just wait for any offbeat news item with a space connection, and claim that it's EXACTLY WHAT WE PREDICTED. Apparently nobody but me reacts by asking "When was this predicted? Was the prediction written down? Can I see?"

       A few historical examples:

As I noted in the previous post, Mike Bara wrote that the star Regulus was 19.5° below the horizon as Buzz Aldrin took communion on the Moon, "exactly where the model would predict it to be" when in fact that's NOT what the "model" predicts.

On 4th Sept Hoagland wrote “A VARYING gravitational “constant” is CENTRAL to our Hyperdimensional/Torsion Field Model”

On 14th Oct 2008 Bara wrote that the hexagonal storms on Saturn were “an inherent and specific prediction of the Hoagland\Torun Hyperdimensional physics model.”

Neither Hoagland nor Bara, nor Hoagland's metaphorical bum-boy Max Kiejzik have ever been able to come up with a citation to confirm those last two, despite repeated (and polite) requests.

       Yesterday a stunning example of this convenient recall adjustment phenomenon (let's call it CRAP) turned up in Hoagland's FB page. Somebody posted a recent article on a new NASA initiative abbreviated as HEFT (Human Exploration Framework Team.) The initiative proposed amendments to the official Presidential plan for the future US space program, specifically:

* Start right now on developing a heavy lift rocket rather than waiting until 2015
* Retain the Orion design for future deep space expeditions
* Develop a separate version of the Orion capsule for ISS emergency rescue

       Using all the powers of CRAP, Hoagland posted as follows:

It's coming together EXACTLY as we discussed, MANY months ago on "Coast." :)

       That's pretty funny. Hilarious, in fact. The major discussion of the future of NASA on "Coast to Coast AM" took place on May 26th, and that has to be the one he's referring to. What most people remember about that is Richard Hoagland literally shouting down Robert Zubrin over the question of Phobos' artificiality. But in fact, the roundtable also included Buzz Aldrin and Howard Bloom. Here's the summary of that part of the discussion:

Bloom said he supports private efforts such as Elon Musk's Space X rocket, as well as Aldrin's Unified Space Vision. Joining him in the first half of the show, Apollo astronaut and rocket scientist Buzz Aldrin outlined a plan in which NASA could land on the Martian moon Phobos in 2022 and set up a base, with eventual landings on Mars itself by 2031. Aldrin also said that he supports an international effort to develop the moon with partners such as China and India.

In the second half of the program, founder of the Mars Society, Robert Zubrin and C2C Science Advisor Richard C. Hoagland discussed and sometimes debated space issues. Zubrin stated he was not in favor of the Obama space plan, and that instead "our goal should be to send humans to Mars by the end of the decade." Hoagland believes Obama has taken bad advice (from John Holdren in particular) in formulating NASA's mission plan.

       I heard that show, and the summary is accurate enough. The main point was that Hoagland agreed with Aldrin about the Phobos-then-Mars strategy. In fact, he predicted that President Obama would change his mind and make a Kennedy-style national commitment to that goal. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was said about splitting the functions of Orion, and if anybody urged that NASA start right away on the heavy-lift vehicle, I missed it.

       On Facebook, there was immediate strong verification of the effectiveness of CRAP. Chris Burch posted:

He's right you know. He did predict this would go down.It's kind of irritating when someone is right all the time. I guess thats why Mr. Hoagland is a target for certain individuals. They just can't stand it. Hey. Give the man his due.

       Really quite amazing, isn't it? Just like those mile-high glass domes on the Moon, if you insist they're there in an authoritative manner, some people will see them.


Chris Lopes said...

In that same interview, Hoagland also claimed that Obama was doing a "rope a dope" maneuver. That is, he was proposing one thing so that Congress would (because they hate the guy, despite the fact that HIS party controls it) do exactly the opposite. In other words, he was covered no matter how it went down. If you hold several contradictory opinions about any one topic, you will always be right. It pays to be vague.

Biological_Unit said...

I can't even find Torun on the internet!

What are the odds that this Torun fellow even knows who RCH is?

expat said...

Erol Torun, a cartographer at the Defense Mapping Agency. He probably knows Hoagland. Here's some of his work:

Biological_Unit said...

What has Torun been doing since early 1996?

Chris Lopes said...

BU, I have a better question. What in the world would a cartographer know about physics, HD or otherwise?
Granted, Hoagland's expertise isn't any better, but the Hoagland-Torun model, really? Did I miss that issue of Scientific American?

Biological_Unit said...

I'll invite the Hoagies to give us anything beyond 19.5 degrees, the angle inscribed by a tetrahedron in a sphere.

that's it.

15 years of nuthin

Chris Lopes said...

"15 years of nuthin"

BU, that's because (as you very well know) he has nothing. His "research" consists of looking at badly altered images and playing with make believe math. His "papers" are a mess of technobable and incoherence, just complicated enough to leave his fans in awe of his "intellect". Hoagland really is an example of style over substance.

Biological_Unit said...

I forgot Rotation.

You are asking Rotation What? That's what I'm asking! I don't know what the hell he is talking about! Shouldn't there be Mathematics involved somewhere here?

expat said...

The only time Hoagland attempted mathematics, he totally screwed it up.

Chris Lopes said...

Yeah but Ex Pat, he is going to correct those mistakes REAL SOON NOW.

Biological_Unit said...

Hoagie has made another stupendous discovery about Saturn's Rings:

And, the rings weren't "made"; there are artificial CITIES within the (otherwise) NATURAL ring system ....

Nothing Human could survive without Artificial Gravity. Their bones turned to twigs and they died. Look for NO heat signatures there - so their dead twig bodies are also frozen.

Biological_Unit said...

The awful Sword blog - has made the claim that Artificial Gravity was "figured out" by his Crew. It's quite a big deal, really! I then volunteered to nominate him for the Nobel Prize in Physics. Of course, it was ignored. He gave up all that Prize Money for some obscure reason ...

Chris Lopes said...

BU, was this another "reverse engineer alien tech" thing?

Biological_Unit said...

The famous liar swArd just blandly stated we "figured out the Artificial Gravity".
Then their gutless idiot blog team members went and did what vacant new age non-entities do. It flew past their numb skulls.

Biological_Unit said...

swArd also said that he knows of a satellite over Alaska.
He did not say "in a Polar Orbit" that takes it over Alaska. It's hanging over Alaska.

expat said...

Perhaps it's tethered by one of the SEKRIT space elevators Jose Escamilla says are all over the place.