Bellgabbers turn on Hoagland

        For the last couple of months, my morning internetainment has included a swift review of one of the forums in BellGab. BellGab was set up years ago for fans of the original Art Bell Coast to Coast AM overnight radio show. As history moved on, more fora were spawned to comment on George Noory (mostly "George Noory sucks"), the "bullpen" hosts, and the regular guests.

        As many readers will know, Hoagland was kicked off C2C-AM on 13 July after clashing with Noory and his producer Tom Danheiser. Since 21 July he's been hosting his own internet radio show, The Other Side of Midnight, on Art Bell's Dark Matter Digital Network. A BellGab forum sprang into life, for live chat and comment during the show. As I blogged a few days later, I don't listen and don't subscribe to the archive, but the Live Chat Thread has been lots of fun to read.

        At first there was plenty of hilarity over the inevitable teething troubles of a show hosted from a home office in Deming, NM by an inexperienced amateur personality -- the ringing phone, the barking dog, and most particularly the squeaking office chair. But then a wave of grudging admiration hit the forum. In the first place, the commenters seemed to love the guests that Hoagland's producer, Ross Campbell, booked. "Saucy Rossy" himself (a veteran of BellGab) posted to the thread regularly and showed himself to be a knowledgeable, easygoing guy with a very good sense of humor. And then, they saw an unexpected side of Hoagland, which they came to call his "Dick Cavett" alternate personality. This was an urbane, well-informed, engaging interviewer who could, in fact, create great late-night radio. It was transforming from a mock-in to a love-in, until this happened:

        Many suspected some variation of "the irresistible force of Ross Campbell meets the immovable object of Richard Hoagland's monsta ego." There was consternation, but nothing compared to what was shortly to come:

        Howls of protest were recorded. Rossy himself was an absolute gentleman, insisting that it was his own decision, he was ok with it, and please just move on, guys. But when Monday night/Tuesday morning rolled around, and the new producer (Scott McKay) was introduced, the mocking resumed. Hoagland apparently chatted with his new producer as if he was a guest, and the pair of them traded name-drops for at least 45 minutes. A few sample comments:

"I need a shot of Geritol."

"Oh my god dump this guy."

"oh gawd....are they really talking about 'kids these days'?"

"It's like sitting next to granddad-in-law at Thanksgiving dinner."

"It's just a private phone conversation that we are forced to listen too. Awful awful awful."

        Today the forum is hate-filled. Many members say they've canceled their subs to the archive. They've come around to what this blog has been pointing out for seven years -- Hoagland is an arrogant popinjay who thinks his audience is so stupid that they'll believe anything he says as long as he keeps reminding them that he was once Walter Cronkite's science adviser (and actually, that wasn't quite his position at CBS News). A comment from "Paper*Boy" at 05:30 EDT:

"Richard C Hoagland is everything each of his detractors on this board say he is.  I hope someone mentioned condescending, and contemptible."

        Since last night he roped in Robin Falkov as a supposed "expert guest" (the topic was Report from the Iron Mountain) another of the BellGab regulars summed it up thus-wise:

"Down to the wife for defense. Richard, you fucked this badly."

        Very few archive shows have been made available to sample, but here's one. It's the 11 September show on Ceres/Pluto, featuring Will Farrar, Andrew Currie, Robert Harrison, and crazy old Keith Laney.

Update 14 October 6:00pm EDT
        I have no idea who "ayala" is. He or she may be flying a kite for all I know. But "Coaster," a regular contributor who I believe has inside info, posted this:

"Ayala was accurate.  I won't say how I know, but it's true."

Rossy made it credible with this:

"... it wasn't that long ago that I defended him vehemently. But it took multiple wake up calls and a few final big ones for me to realize how wrong I was.

I don't want this to continue because I don't want my name to ever be spoken on that show ever again. I'm proud of the work I did, but dissapointed in myself for my misjudgment. I'm too often willing to trust, and give people the benefit of the doubt and that's because I want to be an optimist, however I've learned something very valuable from all of this and that is to trust your instincts. People don't show who they really are they are right away, usually it takes six months, I'm happy it only took two in this case.

So yeah, I'm going to move forward and leave this shit in the rearview, and make something positive out of it."

Ziggurat resources

        By far the most important addition to the Great Ziggy Zoo is this absolutely brilliant video by Stuart Robbins, a.k.a. Astroguy. I'd say Hoagland is definitively pwned, and in case you don't know, Stuart (that's DOCTOR Stuart to you) is a trained astronomer whose specialty is cratering. He knoweth whereof he speaketh and youtubeth, in other words.

        I predict that, if either Hoagland or Bara ever respond at all, they'll claim to have an earlier version of AS11-38-5564, and that NASA has since airbrushed out the ziggy. To which the swift answer would be Why then is there more noise on your version?

        Esteban Navarro Galán posted the link to Hoagland's FooBoo page (thanks, Esteban, we're blocked) with the comment "¿What´s up with this?" (love those spanish upside down ?s), getting, so far, not much reaction. I'll update as appropriate.

        On Sunday Mike Bara facebooked "Anybody have a recording of Coast to Coast AM from 7/20/2012 when Richard C Hoagland was on in the news segment talking about the Ziggurat on the Moon?" --explaining in a follow-up "just wanted to see if Richard mention "his" pyramid came from me lol." Somebody called Dil Smith posted the Astroguy video (thanks, Dil, whoever you are) with the comment "why would you want credit for an obviously photoshopped and fraudulent image? Dont you guys ever get tired of deceiving the public with your hoaxes?" Nothing yet in response. Stand by for the innuendo that Dil must be homosexual.

        CigaretteMan started a thread on Above Top Secret which  is at three pages as I write. Hoagland gets no support there.

        Lincoln started a thread on Keith Laney's Hidden Mission Forum  titled "Mike Bara: copyvio perp turned victim" (this refers to the probability that Mike will use some of Keith's copyrighted work in his next book.) That thread has not so far stretched beyond one page.

       Phil Plait tweeted "Heh. More from @DrAstroStu: a video tearing apart Hoagland's silliness."

        Wildcard (a reformed former Branch Hoaglandian) started a blog called The Tinfoil Hat Brigade and gave us some more exposure. I don't mind at all, Wildcard.

        Astroguy and I both had a bit of fun in the Coastgab forum, which exists to mock the hosts, guests and topics of Coast to Coast AM. 

        .....and speaking of which, here's the text of my protest to George Noory and Lisa Lyon (Exec. Prod.):

Hoagland's appearance July 20th was a disgraceful exercise in self-aggrandizing mendacity. That "ziggurat" has been around the anomalist web sites at least since February last year and probably since 2003. It was not his discovery, and it has now been shown to be  fraudulent.

http://youtu.be/zzCxQLCNz4A

He also said that his "studies" during the eclipse of May 20th proved that pyramids, and the core of the Moon, amplify torsion wave energy "enormously." The problem with that is that his so-called "studies" were actually done in a restaurant at Sandia Peak, NM, thousands of miles from the nearest pyramid and 240,000 miles from the core of the Moon. The expression "junk science" is hardly adequate as a description.

You see, he had begged his faithful fans on Facebook to send him cash to finance a trip to Egypt with Robin. Plenty did, but not enough, so he canceled the trip. So far he has not offered refunds.

DO YOU FIND HIS BEHAVIOR ACCEPTABLE? PLEASE RESPOND.

No response so far. They really don't care. All readers are encouraged to send similar messages.

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