New inductees to the "Emoluments of Mars" Hall of Shame

Robert Kiviat: Exec. Producer, Producer, Director, Writer

Jeff Sagansky: Co-Exec. Producer

David Kiviat: Co-Exec. Producer

Citation: For creating a 90-minute TV  Special,  "Aliens on the Moon: The Truth Exposed", that commits several crimes against video documentary conventions, and for exposing not truth but lies.

For writing the pre-title script line "Tonight we will examine all the evidence", then notably failing to examine ANY of the modern lunar images from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. 

For swallowing the Apollo 20 hoax and giving it false legitimacy.

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A couple of existing members of the Hall of Shame appear as talking heads.

Mike Bara: Laid-off former CAD-CAM technician. In trademark "macho" leather jacket, stuck in front of some kind of fake lunar landscape, telling lies.

Ken Johnston: Former Lunar Receiving Lab shipping clerk. In flight jacket, bearing no less than six patches including US Marines Command Pilot wings that he may not really be entitled to.

Mike Bara checklist:
        Mike talks a great deal about the "satellite dish" in Mare Crisium. IT'S A LIE. This blog has proved it.

         Mike tells us about the "giant paperclip" in AS10-32-4822, near crater Triesnecker. IT'S A LIE. This blog has proved it. On the SyFy show, he stated that the version of that frame showing the paperclip came from "negatives we obtained from NASA."In his rant The Inmates are running the asylum, he says it was a print from Ken Johnston's collection. The latter is far more likely -- NASA does not release original negatives.

        Let me do what the producers of this poppycock dismally failed to do -- check the LRO image. Here's a permalink. Zoom in and explore at will. The two craters in the foreground of the Apollo 10 image are Hyginus A and B. The paperclip would be toward the top of that frame. If it existed.

        Mike tells us about the Daedalus Ziggurat. IT'S A LIE. Stuart Robbins has proved it. Once again, check the LRO high-definition image Here it is. The ziggy would be dead center. If it existed. What's worse, Mike claims sole credit for having "discovered" this miracle. No mention that he came across it on the web forum Call of Duty Zombies, or that it was originally "found" by Terry James, a.k.a. kksamurai. MORE LIES.

Ken Johnston checklist:
        Ken retells an old hoax about Neil Armstrong getting on a secret "medical" radio channel while on the Moon, saying  “I'm telling you, there are other spacecraft out there. They're lined up in ranks on the far side of the crater edge....” IT'S A LIE. James Oberg has proved it. Moreover, as Oberg also correctly reports, there was no such thing as a "secret medical radio channel." It's true that some conversations with the Flight Surgeon were not released publicly, but that's not quite the same thing.

         Ken tells his oft-repeated story about the alien base in crater Tsiolkovsky. This blog has concluded that it's unlikely to be true. Ken says "Apollo 14 came around the back side of the Moon, cameras rolling." But the film strip in question was not a movie at all, it was from the topographic camera, as this blog explained two years ago.

        On his Faceache page, Ken said he was the "research producer" of the show. The end credits give that accolade to  Don Ecker (he's the joker who referred to the tracks left by rolling boulders as "tank tracks." Great research there, Don.)

Lee Spiegel checklist: 
        Lee believes the "chevron" near crater Belyayev is an artificial structure. IT'S A LIE, and this blog has proved it.

        Lee thinks the "cigar-shaped" feature near crater Diderot is a crashed spacecraft. IT'S A LIE, and this blog has proved it. Once again, check the LRO image. It's cratered exactly like its surroundings.

        Lee refers to NASA Mars probes lost "for unknown reasons." He's talking about Mars Observer (1993), Mars Polar Lander (1999) and Mars Climate Orbiter (1999). These missions were lost, but not for "unknown reasons." The reasons became very clear, as James Oberg has shown.

Nick Redfern checklist:
        I love Nick's Staffordshire accent, but I wish he'd use it in service  of the truth instead of inaccurate speculation. He too says the "chevron" is "man-made." He wonders if Moon aliens are "preparing for an attack" (yeah, sure, Nick. I suggest you take cover, just in case.)

General crimes against tv documentary conventions:
        The producers often mix actual lunar images with artwork and model shots, in such a way as to intentionally deceive the audience by pretending that the "anomalies" are more obvious than they actually are.

        Extremely unconvincing "anomalous" images are overlaid in color so as to appear a bit more convincing. This Apollo 11 image, for example, is zoomed in on about 20 times:

 image credit: NASA AS11-41-6139

        The narrator says over and over again that it shows a flying saucer. IT'S A LIE.

        Altogether some 20 lunar images are shown, with the claim that they show  artificial objects or structures. Not once, NOT ONCE, do the producers see fit to examine the much more detailed imagery of the same areas that is readily available in the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter image library. Much of that imagery has a resolution of 0.8 m/px, several hundred times better than the images the producers used.

SHAME ON YOU, KIVIAT, SAGANSKY, KIVIAT, BARA, JOHNSTON, SPIEGEL, REDFERN.

Review of "Ancient Aliens on Mars II"

"[T]his book ... is about truth."

        Thus Mike Bara, embarking on another 234 pages of recycled drivel on a topic that exists only in the minds of the paranoid, and the credulous audience of Coast to Coast AM. To be fair, he only said the book is about truth, he never promised it was actually true. And of course, it isn't.

The image gallery is here, if you're interested.

Phobos: hollow or porous
        It isn't long before our Mike strays very noticeably from truth. Chapter 1 is almost all about Phobos, the senior moon of Mars. Like his former co-author Richard Hoagland, Bara utterly fails to grasp the meaning of the recent findings about Phobos. He correctly quotes from the report of Mars Express's 2010 fly-by -- "We conclude that the interior of Phobos likely contains large voids. [T]hese results are inconsistent with the proposition that Phobos is a captured asteroid" (Bara's emphasis).  But then he writes this drivel:

"Allow me to translate for you. If Phobos is not a captured asteroid ... then it by definition must be an artificial satellite."

        Elsewhere he writes that Phobos is one third hollow, and this is mind-boggling. But it isn't mind-boggling at all. A paper by Britt et al.^{note 1} in the Lunar & Planetary Institute publication 'Asteroids' cites 30% as a fairly common figure for the "macroporosity" of one class of asteroid.

Figure 3 from Britt, et al. showing that the macroporosity of Phobos is nothing special

        In fact, neither of the words "hollow" or "porous" quite fits the known facts, and both manage to be misleading. The Mars Express version, "contains large voids," is correct but cumbersome. Imagine a pile of bricks -- not a neat stack of bricks, but a random pile, thrown together. It's not hard to imagine the voids adding up to 30%. And of course Bara is laughably wrong in asserting that the only alternative to "captured asteroid" is "artificial satellite." The final conclusion of the Mars Express science team was that Phobos is re-accreted from orbital debris.

THEMIS: Whodunnit? Whydowecare?
        Richard Hoagland deserves a share of the royalties for Chapter 2, since it's pretty much a straight steal from Chapter 10 of Dark Mission, even including the chapter title, "Mars Heats Up." Both chapters tell an over-detailed story of infra-red imagery of Cydonia from the THEMIS instrument on Mars Odyssey (2002). On one side, the heroes Hoagland, Bara, Laney, Isenberg (the latter eventually defected, if I have the story straight.) On the other, the NASA villains Smythe, "Bamf", Gorelick, Christensen. We are told who posted what on what bulletin board at exactly what time on what date, all to insinuate that the heroes got a bum deal from the villains, but triumphed in the end. Hooray!!

        For all I know, Bara's recitation of this cyber-skirmish is accurate in all respects, and the villains really were villainous. But the thing is, I didn't care when I read this shit in Dark Mission, and I care even less now.

        Chapters 3 and 4 extend the "heroes and villains" theme and Bara uses the opportunity to slag off a few people he regards as his enemies. Mark Carlotto, another defected ex-ally, is "absurd," "unethical." James Oberg is a "charlatan." The astronomer Phil Plait is "a grotesque little toad of [a] man." When a writer flubs even his gross insults by missing out an indefinite article, it's probably time to give it a rest.

That face
        I had foolishly hoped that Mike Bara would go light on Cydonia this time around, having written it to death in AAoM1. Alas, no, he gives it the (almost) full treatment. Just a glance at the Chapter 5 images in the gallery will give you the idea. He hates everything NASA did with the "Face," showing no gratitude for the fact that they went out of their way to re-photograph the damned thing for PR, rather than science, reasons. In fact, he uses the acronym NASA as though it were an adjective meaning "corrupt." He loves the 3-D images from the stereo camera on Mars Express (which was ESA, not NASA, so it isn't villainous, see?) He references the 'Cydonia Geometric Relationship Model' perhaps unaware that Stuart Robbins recently drove a stake through the heart of that highly dubious idea.

        Here's part of Bara's recap of the reasons that the face is a Face, built by Martians:

"[I]t has two aligned eye sockets, the tip of the nose is the tallest point on the structure, there are two clearly defined nostrils in the nose, the west eye socket is shaped like a human eye including a tear duct, there is a spherical pupil in the eye...."

        So how does he explain that wonderful 0.25 m/px image taken by the HiRISE camera on Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on 5th April 2007? This best-ever image shows that that entire list of features is in Mike Bara's imagination. How does he deal with this fact? Simple -- he reduces it to a 2 x 2.5" thumbnail and darkens it so that it's barely decipherable. Then he writes that its lack of detail is "suspicious."

Here it is. Admire the detail.

The pareidolia game
        The last hundred pages amount to a sort of visual shopping list of bits of images from various Mars cameras that remind Mike of other things. This really is just a game, and Bara is by no means the only person who plays it. From George Haas^{note 2} (who calls himself 'The Cydonia Institute') he gets "the parrot," "the roadrunner," and "the Nefertiti." From Joseph Skipper of "Mars Anomaly Research," he gets a vaguely skull-like object which, of course, is a skull. Bara reiterates his scorn for the term "pareidolia" and then falls slap-bang into its tender trap, discerning in "Parrot City" a whole civilization, with bridges, tunnels, a processing plant, a waste-disposal facility.

        This is my absolute favorite bit of "Baradolia" -- a replica of the famous Theme restaurant at Los Angles International airport, right there on Mars. Here it is, compared with its terrestrial original.

image credit: NASA/JPL/Bara

        This is right near the office park, the race track, and the pumping station. No, I'm not kidding. Mike Bara really believes this.

        Then he gets into the Eye of Horus. The dinosaur bones. The tank, the turbocharger. The only problem I see is that some readers of this truly terrible book will believe it too. I comfort myself with the thought that many buyers of this thing (the Faceboo fans) won't actually read it, though they may well write "friend of the author" 5-star Amazon reviews.

        Right now its Amazon ranking (paperback version) is  142,725. In Books > Science & Math > Astronomy & Space Science (God help us) > Mars it's #14. In Books > Religion & Spirituality > Earth-based religions > Gaia it's #43. ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME, GEORGE NOORY? I implore you not to allow Mike Bara on the show to plug this monstrosity. We all know what that does to the Amazon rankings.

Update: AAaarrrrrggghhhhhhh, too late. Bara is the scheduled C2C guest on July 23rd.


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[1] "Asteroid density, porosity and structure"
[2] Update: George Haas reports on The Hidden Mission Forum that Bara used seven of his images without permission.

Steve Quayle, your source for totally wrong information

        Steve Quayle is yet another of those "put a penny in the slot and away he goes" mouth-offs that radio shows love these days. He guested on Coast to Coast AM last night on a variety of topics, none of which he was remotely qualified to comment on -- "biowarfare, a new Ebola outbreak, viruses, chemtrails, and genetic experimentation" (says the official C2C summary.)

        No mention in Quayle's C2C bio of any qualifications in microbiology or molecular genetics. He's just an author (one I admit I haven't actually read) who feeds the public appetite for alarmism. Moreover, one with several really annoying speech mannerisms ("The point being, is....")

        Well, there's nothing new about C2C inviting annoying and unqualified people to pontificate. It happens every time Richard Hoagland or Mike Bara make their appearance. Why, back in August 2008 Hoagland did a complete four-hour show based on a calculation that was fundamentally incorrect (Von Braun's Secret). It made every single thing he said for four hours totally invalid.

        Quayle might be right that the current Ebola outbreak in West Africa is due to a new strain that's particularly dangerous. He might be right that publishing the complete genetic sequence of the spanish flu virus was not a great idea. He might be right that illegal aliens could be importing dangerous viruses to the USA, although mere tourists are just as much of a threat. Even bona fide citizens returning from exotic locations could be viral time-bombs.

        However, he's surely wrong about the secret base in Nevada where all the chemtrail planes are loaded up with their nasties. He's definitely wrong when he says that a rainbow is not a spectrum created by water droplets but a view of various components of the chemtrail mix. And he's wrongest of all about the microwave bombardment of the US Embassy in Moscow from 1953-1976.

        What he said about that, paraphrasing, was that the Russians knew enough about viral infection to have projected specific viruses through thin air based on "quantum frequencies, harmonics." I agree with the general precept expounded in the Rational Wikipedia that the word quantum uttered by anyone other than a specialist in the subject is a cue that what follows will be rubbish.

        The facts are that microwaves of 2.5 to 4.0 GHz were aimed at the US embassy building in Moscow. The intensity was above normal background (even by today's elevated standards) but below what is considered hazardous. There was concern that the intended effect was to impair the health of embassy staff, but that was never proved, and an equally plausible idea is that it was a form of radio-interference. The idea that specific viruses were thereby transmitted directly into the embassy is a total fantasy. It's quite simply an impossibility. An epidemiological study was commissioned by the Department of State to investigate possible health effects on the staff and their families. It was carried out by Abraham Lilienfeld (deceased, 1984) and colleagues at the Department of Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins University. The study compared the Moscow embassy staff and their dependents with the staff and dependents at other eastern European U.S. embassies, who would have had similar selection procedures, and many similarities in their work and lifestyle. In this retrospective cohort study, the exposed group were staff who had served in the Moscow embassy during the period January 1 1953 to June 30 1976, and their dependents who lived in Moscow; and the comparison group were staff who served in other selected Eastern European embassies or consulates during the same period of time, and their dependents; in Belgrade, Bucharest, Budapest, Leningrad, Prague, Sofia, Warsaw, and Zagreb. These posts were chosen for their general similarity to Moscow in climate, diet, geographical location, disease problems, and general social milieu.

The results were negative.

“To summarize, with very few exceptions, an exhaustive comparison of the health status of the state and non-state department employees who had served in Moscow with those who had served in other Eastern European posts during the same period of time revealed no differences in health status as indicated by their mortality experience and a variety of morbidity measures. No convincing evidence was discovered that would directly implicate the exposure to microwave radiation experienced by the employees at the Moscow embassy in the causation of any adverse health effects as of the time of this analysis”.

        Steve Quayle stated last night "the science is there" and said he'd slap it up on his web site. I'll keep checking, but nothing's there yet.

        Viral terrorism is, I suppose, a legitimate topic for C2C. Why, I wonder, do they not find someone to explain it who knows what he's talking about?

Morningstar displays his dismal misunderstanding of microbiology

        Internet woo radio, it seems, is falling over itself in its eagerness to give a platform to Robert Morningstar and his erroneous ideas. Today it was the turn of The Higherside Chats to offer us all an hour of our lives that we can never get back.

        AM* happened to touch on two topics that I know a lot about, and in both cases showed such a calamitous misunderstanding that it almost literally took my breath away. Here's the first, in his exact words:

18:39 "About three years ago, a few NASA scientists came out and said that they had found a special form of life in Mono Lake, California, which was based on arsenic. It was a cell, or a culture, that reproduced itself and its metabolism and its life cycle was based not on carbon but on arsenic of all things ... And the premise of this revelation was --- her name was Dr. Wolf, and she had a hyphenated name, but I only remember Dr Wolf, or Wolfson. But she said a very interesting thing. She said the important thing about their finding was that the search for life as we have conducted it for the last 40 years -- life on Mars, life on the Moon, life anywhere -- has been conducted through too narrow a window. We've been looking only for carbon-based life. And this showed that there is another form of life that was based on arsenic. And then she made the most amazing statement. She said "Now this life-form cannot thrive on Earth because the temperature is too hot. It needs all of its energy just to maintain its steady state, so it cannot expand, propagate, reproduce, it just has to keep accumulating the arsenic to maintain its steady-state existence. However, on another planet where the temperature was much colder than Earth...." and she then said "perhaps on some place like Saturn's moon Titan, where the temperature is 167 below zero it might be possible for such an organism to thrive and propagate." That was [an] Earth-shattering statement. And really the important thing was pointing out that perhaps the paradigm was wrong -- that our assumption that all life, any life, must be based on carbon is a fallacy, it's an erroneous assumption. So they called for reviewing all the previous work that we've done, and to start expanding, opening the window a little wider, in order to see whether or not we missed something."

        Well, of course he's here  referring to the fetching Dr Felisa Wolfe-Simon, known as "Iron Lisa," and the extremophile bacterium she called GFAJ-1. The only things Morningstar got roughly right were "about three years ago" (actually December 2010) and "Mono Lake." The rest of it is absolute balderdash -- he managed to get the story even more wrong than Richard Hoagland did when he reported it at the time.

        Iron Lisa never made the claim that GFAJ-1 was not carbon-based. The organism is carbon-based without any question at all. The claimed arsenic substitution was for phosphorous, not carbon. Duhhhhh.... She never even claimed that arsenic was incorporated into the nucleotide bases which are the four letters of the genetic code^{note 1} (that's the part Hoagland got wrong.) All she said was that, in the low-phosphorous, high-arsenic environment of Mono Lake, this organism has found a way of substituting arsenic for some of the phosphorous in its DNA structural backbone.

        I saw the whole of the press conference on 2nd December 2010, and followed the story carefully. To my knowledge Wolfe-Simon never said that GFAJ-1 was more suited to Titan than Earth, or that it could not thrive in Mono Lake. As most readers of this blog already know, her findings were later discredited by Rosie Redfield and Alex Bradley. "GFAJ" turned out to mean "Get Felisa A Job." The story is quite well told in wikipedia.

        Moving right along, here's AM* again, on a subject I really know a lot about.

21:10 "Dr Levin^{note 2}, who is in charge of the Mars Viking Life research project, and they think they found life, back in 1976 when Viking landed. They did an experiment, and the experiment was to scoop up some dirt and to drop in some nutrients that had a little bit of radioactivity in. And the premise was that if there were any microbial activity in the soil that it would eat the nutrient and exude gases that could be picked up because they were radioactive. Indeed they did. And an announcement was made that there was life on Mars. Then NASA quashed that finding and said that the experiment was wrong, and that they did another experiment that proved it was wrong. Well, the experiment that they did was a different experiment, and it was intentionally conducted to kill any life that was in the soil. I was watching Dr Levin on a show on the Science Channel --it was called "NASA's Secret UFO Files" And he said that what they had done was they had taken soil and cooked it. And then tested that soil for life. And he said "How can you find any life in soil that has been heated in such a way that it would kill any microbial life?" "

        I wrote that I really know about this subject. Yes, indeed -- I was personally right there at JPL as all this was unfolding, making a TV documentary about the very subject of extraterrestrial life for the BBC. So to say I was interested would be an understatement.

        First of all, Gil Levín was not  "in charge of the Mars Viking Life research project." Harold "Chuck" Klein held that position, and Gerry Soffen was overall head of Viking Science. Dr Levín was one of three PIs whose life-detection experiments were carried on each of the two Viking landers.

        Morningstar's description of the Labeled Release experiment is correct, and it's also correct that its results were arguably positive for life. However, his description of the other experiment is woefully, hopelessly, wrong. He must be referring to the Pyrolytic Release experiment -- which, by the way, was not "a NASA experiment" any more than Levín's was. Norman Horowitz of CalTech was the PI.

        Horowitz's strategy was to test for carbon fixation by micro-organisms. He fed the soil water in the presence of radio-labeled carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. After several days, he tested to see if any labeled carbon had been "ingested". The way of doing this was to heat the soil to 650°C and see if any labeled carbon was given off. To say that the experiment "killed microbial life" is thoroughly misleading. The answer to the question "How can you find any life in soil that has been heated in such a way?" is "Very easily. It was done over and over again in trials with all kinds of microbial life before Viking ever flew."

        I blogged about this as long ago as April 2008. Read it again if you want to know why Gil Levín's experiment was not considered definitive in the end.

Now for the good news...
        At the very beginning of his Higherside Chat, Morningstar allowed that he was fallible. That he might make mistakes. He correctly said that being wrong isn't a crime, and that he "welcomed corrections."

Consider yourself corrected, Robert.

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1] There is no phosphorous in adenine, thymine, cytosine or guanine.
2] Small point -- Morningstar mispronounces Dr Levín's name. The accent is on the second syllable. But you have to be a real space buff to know that, not a dilettante like AM*.

Robert Morningstar misinforms the public again

        Robert Morningstar, the "civilian intelligence analyst" who doesn't spend enough time analyzing his own intelligence, popped up on internet woo-woo radio again last night, this time on Darkness Radio.

        His main motive was to promote his upcoming Secret Space Program conference, but in fact it was the usual performance, even including his ridiculous fantasy that Apollo astronauts weren't aware that the DSE (in the Command Module) and DSEA (in the Lunar Module) were recording their conversation when out of touch with Houston on the far side of the Moon.^{note 1}

        Unchallenged by Darkness's host, he went through a buffet of the usual lunar anomalies. My face hit the desk when he stated that "NASA doesn't show" images of Ukert crater (at 7.8°N, 1.4°E) because there's a symbol in it "like the eye on the pyramid". My question to Morningstar is this: "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THIS IS, INTELLIGENCE ANALYST GENIUS?"

photo credit: NASA/LRO image library

        Here's a permalink so any readers can zoom around and NOT see an eye on a pyramid.

        Ukert has been photographed by NASA many times. Here's a partial list.

Lunar Orbiter frame LO-IV-102H (the white dots are photo processing errors)
Apollo 10 frame AS10-32-4822
Grail image #MK12_03

Old, old, old stories
        Morningstar claims to have a "photographer's eye." Why, then, does he say that the lack of stars in the sky of Apollo photography is a mystery, no doubt done to deliberately obscure UFOs. The answer is so simple I can't even bear to write it.

        Again unchallenged by Darkness, he told us about the "mysterious object" that followed Apollo 11 during the first two days after trans-lunar injection. Everyone in the world except AM* knows that it was one of the four panels of the LM adapter shroud, discarded after LM extraction.

Truly this man is a danger to the truth.


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1] Once again, here's the CM instrument panel with the DSA switches clearly labeled TAPE RECORDER in the bottom row of Panel C. Here's the LM instrument panel with RECORDER ON/OFF equally clearly labeled on Panel 12. DSE stands for Data Storage Equipment.

Here's page 3-83 of the Apollo 11 Flight Plan. It captures the moment when Armstrong and Aldrin are preparing  to leave Tranquility Base. GET 116:00-116:36.

A task for Mission Control is 'DUMP DSE'. This is in the Flight Plan. And Morningstar claims the astronauts weren't aware of it?????

Mike Bara never tires of being wrong

From the book and the chirp yesterday:

"There is no 'collapse' going on in Iraq. All of this stuff you are reading about took place over a week ago. It is all being staged to keep certain corrupt people in their positions. The news is being manufactured."

I believe the ISIL fighters are less than 100 km from Baghdad as we speak.

Scientists 3, Laid-off CAD technicians 0
        Meanwhile, back at science, Bara's blog is insisting that he and Hoagland have been right all along about the "glass tubes" on Mars. His gigantic arrogance blinds him to the fact that several people with infinitely more expertise than him have shot this one down.

        Dave Pieri, for one, who is as qualified as anyone in the world, commented 13 years ago, arguing that the tunnels were actually gullies, the terrain reversal being a well-known illusion. Lori Fenton, who Mike refers to as "some kind of low-level research scientist somewhere," also blogged about this recently. Lori is a senior research scientist at the SETI Institute. Her recent publications include:

Dune Morphology and Atmospheric Models: Implications for Present-Day Martian Aeolian Activity

Characterizing Daytime Aeolian Erosion Potential on Mars Using a Turbulence-Resolving Atmospheric Model

Recent Climate Shifts Circulation Patterns, and Climate Driven Erosion Recorded in the Morphology of Southern Hemisphere Sand Dunes of Mars 

        What has Mike Bara contributed to our knowledge of these phenomena? NOTHING. I don't count his testy, ego-driven bloggery.

        Finally, Bara hates Dr Phil Plait (who he calls "Dr. Phil" Plait) so much that he totally missed this excellent image from Plait's original refutation of Hoagland. See all those "glass tubes"? They're dune trains. Unmistakably. (more details here.)

credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems

Mike Bara reckons he's better than Neil deGrasse Tyson

From Mike Bara's Face-ache page, yesterday:

...and the insufferably arrogant text below:

"Trust me, neither you nor NDGT would like to see me debate him. He'd get beat worse than the Broncos in the Super Bowl. And BTW, science is not Truth. Scientific materialism is simply another worldview no different than the religious dogmas it and people like him seek to ridicule."

        If Mike is so confident of his chances against  Tyson, we have to ask Why did he run away from a scheduled debate with Stuart Robbins??

This just in: Robert Morningstar to file a complaint against Expat with FBI

From our Facebore correspondent James Concannon

        In a Fartboo message, Robert AM* informed me that he plans to file a complaint with the Computer Crimes Division of the FBI. The complaint will allege harassment of Chris Holly and Randy Maugans, "personalities" of internet woo-woo radio.

I wonder if his complaint will look approximately like this:

Suggested attachments to the complaint:

e-mail from expat to Chris Holly, 5/30/14
"Greetings...

You might be interested in this review of the recent laugh-a-thon with Morningstar"

e-mail from Chris Holly to expat, 5/30/14
"nasty bastards like this are a dime a dozen on the net and in life. Robert Morningstar is an extremely smart man who is very accomplished and educated something obviously this man who spends his days in hatred is not   but thanks for another look at the dark side of mankind"

e-mail from Chris Holly to expat, 5/30/14
"how can anyone who does not know the on record statements of Bigelows space station be taken seriously . I stand as I first replied and want nothing to do with whoever this expat jerk is and do find him a hate filled arrogant fool who really thinks he knows what he is talking about but is very mis informed.  Expat needs a name and a punch in his nasty mouth   .  I doubt he has any personal experience at all in any of these subjects much less information that is not soaked in mean spirited rejection of things he knows nothing about due to the fact those things may frighten him poop less. I do not like his manner, his black heart or his insult to me or my peers. Expat is a walking talking nasty ass of a small closed not as educated as he may believe himself to be ass . As I said , a dime a dozen. "

e-mail from expat to Chris Holly, 5/31/14
"How can a BIGELOWS experimental habitat also be part of a SECRET space program??? How can an orbiter with a volume of only 11.5 cubic metres, which cannot possibly be crewed, be classified as a space station???
Please think more clearly before you respond with your ad hominem accusations."

e-mail from Chris Holly to expat, 5/31/14
"Look Expat , go get a life and do not annoy me with your hate and denail of things you can not deal with. How about this , man to woman, get lost I think your a jerk and a loser who I want no part of and do not care about at all what you think, do , go  none of it. I am busy and have no time for you, dime a dozen downers... lets just call you not in my life so  end it now and leave me alone please, I  have a big life with lots going on and really think you should think what you want, and I will do things my way.  Your a NASA bleiver which is hilarious , I bet you love your government and think our fighting men are fools, go away please."

comment to this blog from Chris Holly, 6/1/14 12:18pm
"I think you are rather insane James or Martin or whatever name you like to use for what ever purpose you need however I really am glad you post all your private emails and make constant personal attacks towards people who do not know you do not want to know you. You do not have one nice quality at all about you. It does not matter if you or your small amount of readers agree with you or me , it amazes me that after seeing how you stalk and name call and attack people they return to feed your sick twisted mind. You are a small little no one who hides behind fake names and computers because you do not have the brains or courage to attack people face to face. I bet you have few friends in life and without question no family to speak of as you are a cruel black hear ted angry man . You and those who feed your ill ways; As I said before men like you that hide and bully and stalk on the net are a dime a dozen. Swim on fool in your little pond big fish world but know in the real world you would be swallowed in seconds. BTW your credentials are not much compared to those of the people you attack. A big fish in his little pond or kiddie pool full of hate and anger. Sort of funny even if it is sad. Write all you want little boy, it is now old and tiresome. Maybe Robert Morinngstar can suggest a good therapist to help you with your hate and stalking issues"

comment to this blog from Chris Holly, 6/1/14 12:14pm
"    Of course , it is clear ,after I stopped and gave this fool two seconds of time to think for a second and realize that this man and his little blog are paid debunkers as it is obvious with the manner this guy is going after Moringstar, and me that we must have touched closely on something that someone else wants to debunk . Sadly they hire clowns like this one to do stabbing attacks when for whatever reason it may be people get too close to truth. That is what is going on here clearly, otherwise why would some dupe get his panties in such a twist over what someone thinks or bleieves.

    By the way I NEVER HAD AN EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH ANYONE CALLED EXPAT OR ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE FROM THIS LITTLE BLOG. How is it that a private email exchange I had with a man who identified himself as Martin Blaise shows up and is claimed by expat to be between me and him???? I never EVER had any emials or exchages with expat???

    I know expat also goes by the name James Concaonnon which proves pretty much he is simply paid to discredit those who get too close to real issues by throwing tantrums that he is right and everyone else in the world wrong.

    What a fake phoney fraud unethical lying dog this man is , ooooh I feel dirty being on his site but just wanted all 8 or his readers to know what a low life your expat pal really is."

Comment in response by Expat, 6/1/14 8:07pm
"Your invective is quite impressive, but I do wish you'd address the ISSUES. By way of encouraging you, here's a simplified list.

1. There is no second, HUGE, space station in Earth orbit.
2. There is no US Army base on the Moon. Even a small one would be visible.
3. Clark McClelland's story about a giant alien in the Shuttle cargo bay is a fantasy.
4. There is no possibility that Jupiter and Saturn were once stars. Three stars in such close proximity would merge into one.
5. Felisa Wolfe-Simon never claimed that GFAJ-1 was evidence of extraterrestrial life.
6. She was "slapped down" because Rosie Redfield and others proved that arsenic was not in fact incorporated in the DNA structure.
7. The layout of Tharsis Montes is not identical with the Giza pyramids.
8. Cairo does not translate as Mars."