From this blog, March 14, 2016:
« When Gale crater was first announced as MSL's destination, Richard Hoagland announced on C2C-AM that Sharp Mountain was obviously an artificial construct, and that everyone at JPL knew that. Even President Obama knew it. ..... When Curiosity finally reveals Sharp to be just a mountain, what will he say then? Why, NOTHING, of course. Glad you asked. »
Well, Curiosity has been on the lower slopes of Mt. Sharp for quite a while now and of course Hoagland has been silent on the topic.
Yesterday NASA/JPL/CNES released the largest photo-mosaic of Mt. Sharp yet created. The images were from the ChemCam's Remote Micro-Imager, and the mosaic was created by a team at the University of Nantes, France from 216 overlapping images. Stéphane Le Mouélic provided the detailed explanation in a Marsblog. Here's a screen capture of one part of the huge photo-mosaic, but it's really worth looking at the whole thing.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech /LANL/CNES/CNRS/ IRAP/IAS/LPG
If you think for one moment that Richard Hoagland is going to see that and publicly announce that he was completely mistaken, you don't know your Hoagland. Admitting error is NOT what he does. Let's face it, if he did he'd be doing so much of it that he'd have no time to plan and compile his ridiculous blogtalkradio show.
Click on the label "hoagland errors" below to see a partial listing.
Hoagland can't prove himself right, and you can't prove him wrong, Paterick, because NASA controls the data. Photoshop can work wonders.
Theadora: You didn't read what I wrote, obviously. The photo-stitch was carried out at the University of Nantes, not at NASA.
THEO, with all due respect, here is some proof...A shoe on the surface surrounded by no other artifacts? A "Oklahoma" styled bombed apartment complex? A safe? An engine? All of these things are rocks or rock formations. There is NO proof that the are anything else. Quiet the contrary actually. Mars is a dead planet of rock, sand and ice. He would have us believe these "artifacts" survived millions of years of wind erosion and possibly water erosion, exposure to the sun and freezing temperatures. For RCH everything can be explained by 19.5 (or "close enough"), tetrahedral razz-ma-taz, photoshopped scans of copies of photos, and torsion waves measured with a wrist watch, computer and jumper cables. Richard Hoagland is a bitter, broken man. He placed everything he had, including his reputation, into promoting and proving that there was an actual carving of a face on Mars. His evidence? A very low res photograph. Time and time again, newer photographs prove that it's just a mountain. But, he refuses to accept the truth because it is what made him relevant and a darling to the UFO conferences. Now he essentially tries to put square pegs in round holes and say, "I am a scientist. Torsion waves will make these fit when Venus is in transition." Then, when proven wrong again and again, he ignores or tries to discredit the individual pointing out the flaws of his process. So instead of admitting the truth and realizing that his life's work is debunked by scientific evidence(and a waste of many years of his life), he choses to double down, see structures EVERYWHERE and coverups behind everything. It's actually kind of sad to know that your legacy isn't about the greatest discovery of all time, but that of a narcissist, fraud, charlatan, huckster, and also a liar.
The raw data should be available to the public.
"...a narcissist, fraud, charlatan, huckster, and also a liar."
Not to mention an apologist for child porn. He stated that he considered it a first amendment freedom although did not condone trafficking in it.
Theadora / Orbs said: "The raw data should be available to the public."
It'll be an enormous string of binary digits. Think you could interpret it?
What harm could it do to be made publicly available for peer review?
What is the full context of your quote?
I know a guy who's dad got stung by FBI, that used girls of lower legal age in Russia to pose for porn.
Raw data like that freely available at the Mars Planetary Data System?
Bingo!!! Well done OBM.
Theadora/Orbs: For detail on RCH's veiws on kiddie porn, read this.
Thanks Monk. I would suggest that Dick Hoagland make his case from that.
"The raw data should be available to the public...What harm could it do to be made publicly available for peer review?"
Thank you and I agree.
Richard, where is all the raw data you have been promising? Who has peer reviewed his data? What measures, controls, and anything remotely related to the scientific method were used? We need to see that as well. I know that Expat, and several others have been BEGGING for years for this information. Not only from him, but Bara, Morningstar and others. RCH is making grandiose claims based solely on his word and bad math. The one time he does provide data was to prove "Von Braun's Secret". His is mathematical errors were pointed out by many people (some are actual rocket scientists), but he refused to correct the obvious mistake or take it down. He was wrong. At least he's consistent.
See, what people don't get about Hoagland, is that he's in on the gag. When he makes mistakes, he's really giving clues about details he's sworn not to disclose. It's like the way news has leaked out about 17 new strains of SARS having just emerged. They are called mutations, but mutations are rare. Seventeen new strains would suggest an F2 generation, where maximum diversity in breeding occurs. SARS has been in place for years. SARS-2 would seem to be an F1 of SARS and another stable strain of the same species. Let's do the math. How can anyone's immune system handle the overload of, SARS + SARS-2 + 17 new pheynotypes = 19 strains? Out of those new strains, I'll bet one's a real, Doozy. Now, when it all turns out to be an elaborate, Kobayashi Maru, 'They,' will say, 'we never said it was an F2, that was just from over imaginative conspiracy nut.
« When he makes mistakes, he's really giving clues about details he's sworn not to disclose »
Rubbish. He just wants his fans to think what a clever boy he is.
"When he makes mistakes, he's really giving clues about details he's sworn not to disclose." With the amount of mistakes he's made, he has to be the worst secret keeper ever. WHO is giving these people the information, swearing them to secrecy, letting them disclose, and giving them more information? Please tell me ONE thing that he has disclosed on his own, show me the data (all the data, controls, equipment used and any citations). The guy is full of himself, a liar and a hack.
To give clues is not to provide "all the data, controls, equipment used and any citations". Hoagland is an agent of the Department of Energy.
An agent of the DOE? Hahaha! You are talking about a guy who can't run a radio blog, consistently cancels and can't keep his electricity turned on. Boils down to this...Incompetent, unreliable and irresponsible. On top of everything else. And you would have anyone believe that he is an agent of the Department of Energy? You really had me going there for a while.
Of course he was wrong, and he knew it even before he said it. But no, he can't admit it because it's all part of the same gag he's been pulling since the 1980's. He'll either ignore the new evidence completely, or claim NASA conspiracy again. His act never changes.
I recall Hoagland once presented at the Cleveland NASA Center (Lewis at the time). He still brags about it. I could not attend but I remember it happening. I tried to get a videotape of it but they did not have it. Did they even video it? Anyway, it was interesting that this was permitted. But back in the day, they even allowed a PEAR lab presentation.
Hoagland won't ignore any new evidence which can't be proven. It's his word against NASAss', butt at least you don't let him off the hook by finding him incompetent, Topher.
It's like for years, detractors of President Reagan called him senile. After he left office and Jr Senator Kerry subpoenaed him to testify at the Iran/Contra hearings, Reagan's doctor delivered a diagnosis of Alzheimer. Naturally, everyone believed it and the investigation was dropped.
« ...It's his word against NASAss' »
Theadora, YOU JUST DON'T FUCKING WELL LISTEN, DO YOU??? Once again, the photo-stitch was done at THE UNIVERSITY OF NANTES. University. NOT NASA.
Anonymous: Gary Posner gives a full account of Hoagland's two presentations at Lewis on his website.
Apparently there was video coverage, because Posner writes:
« Hoagland also announced on September 17 that NASA was preparing a three-part "miniseries" on his presentations, entitled Hoagland's Mars, to air on PBS. He added, "I and Carl now both have our own miniseries," as if to compare his to Sagan's award-winning series Cosmos. In a November 5, 1990, telephone conversation, I learned from Craig De Sagnick, a contract video production manager to NASA/Lewis, that the original two-show project had been reduced to a single, half-hour program about Hoagland's March 20 presentation, which would carry a disclaimer making clear that Hoagland's theories were his own and not NASA's (the second half-hour production was deemed of insufficient technical quality to warrant a TV show being made). He told me that NASA produced between 13 and 26 new shows per year on a variety of space-related topics, which any individual PBS station could elect to broadcast if it so wished.»
Thanks Expat! Those were the days. It would be fun to see that presentation. Too bad it isn't on Youtube.
All Hoagland was doing was to try and parlay his crumbs into a steady gig, using standard, used car salesman tactics, taught to him in covert government training.
Hoagland himself is the very paid agent of disinformation which he accuses everyone else of being.
Get it, Paterick? The fact that you get so, steamed, might be evidence that he's even an agent provocateur.
"...used car salesman tactics, taught to him in covert government training". What agency? What training? When?
"Hoagland himself is the very paid agent of disinformation which he accuses everyone else of being". What agency is paying him? So you admit that he is wrong. That his research, theories and conspiracies are a bunch of crap. Wow, THE, you are the gift that keeps on giving. That sure is a lot of time researching and lying about mars artificial ruins and relics and a glass dome on the moon. Does that mean Mike Bara is also a paid disinformation agent working for the government?
It seems that RCH is proof that the force is strong with him...it works well on weak mind.
Reading your posts, I HAVE to believe that you are either a comedy genius and playing conspiracy troll, or are so under his spell that you are making some wackadoo claims with zero evidence to back any of it up. Either way, I really do appreciate your posts (jokes or sincere belief) and always get a good laugh. Stay safe.
I merely speculate, same as all the rest of you trolls. From personal emails with Richard C Hoagland, though, and his prompt interactively shared knowledge of UC Berkeley, I deduce that he has a dual major, in communications and astronomy, and a doctorate in some field of physics. If stated before that his degree was probably issued without public registry, due to the national security issues related to his dissertation. He never made those claims. It's my own personal opinion deduced upon circumstantial evidence.
Theadora that is poppycock. If he had a doctorate do you think it likely he would keep quiet about it?
You still don't get it, Paterick. Hoagland is in on the gag. You are the one who continually takes the bait. The greater the controversy, the higher that consciousness is raised. People are lured into having to think about issues which they might otherwise overlook completely. He helps generate interest in Space exploration, by making claims that people want to believe and that NASA wouldn't dare to make. Hoagland helps gain public support for NASA, by creating public demand for a manned mission to Mars.
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