Friday, December 1, 2017

Name-calling as a substitute for commentary

        Reacting to the summary dismissal of NBC host Matt Lauer, Mike Bara tweeted on Wednesday:
"Wow what a great morning it is to wake up to the fall of another pious Libtard media icon."
        A day later, his twitter account was suspended, although we cannot know if that particular message was what found disfavor. Pious? Libtard? I'm not a regular audience for the Today show but Matt Lauer strikes me as a talented television host with nothing in his résumé to indicate either piety or inappropriate political opinion. It's perhaps noteworthy that some sources accused him of powder-puffing presidential candidate Trump during a September 2016 interview. So I conclude that Bara's choice of words is just juvenile name-calling. Bara himself, remember, is not innocent of physical contact with random women.


Bara expresses his appreciation of actress Shana Eva at the Conscious Life Expo 2013



At the launch party for Bara's book "The Choice"


With Maureen Elsberry. A new meaning for "Contact in the Desert"?

       It certainly has been an astonishing series of revelations, the current spate of sexual misconduct accusations, from Harvey Weinstein to Geraldo Rivera. In the new atmosphere, powerful men in entertainment, sports and government are going to have to keep their hands off the women. I make no excuses at all for boorish behavior, but my other comment is that it's also going to be a hard time for women in those fields who actually want recreational sex with alpha males.

Update:
        Yesterday morning Bara posted a picture of Al Franken along with the line "Bye bye you piece if shit." When he doesn't have an editor to correct his copy, his spelling and grammar are both tragic.

50 comments:

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Prepare for 70% chance of magnitude 6.4+ Earthquakes and tsunamis between now and the 13th of December, 2017, you knuckleheads.
newsweek.com/supermoon-2017-full-cold-moon-728118

George Benkel said...

6.4 anywhere in the world! What a bold prediction! They happen a lot - I think the Pacific Ring of Fire has plenty of those. Tsunami's require a vertical tectonic plate motion. I predict that any tsunami will be measured in tens of centimeters.

expat said...

George is right-- there were three of magnitude 6+ in New Caledonia on the 19th, and at least one in Papua/New guinea on the 27th.

Two Percent said...

Well, it's sure nice to see that there's no more childish name-calling happening on this blog!

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Prepare for 70% chance of magnitude 6.4+ Earthquakes and tsunamis between now and the 13th of December, 2017, you knuckleheads.



But you do raise a good point, so let me respond.

The Lunar syzygy effect is again quite apparent recently, as shown below.

It appears to me that my earlier guesstimates about when the window should open may have been a bit off. Haven't bothered to go back and see how a modified window would affect the earlier results, but maybe someone will feel so inclined.

Latest results from USGS for M6.0 and above, with comments added. Need to read from the bottom as I couldn't be arsed...


19 6.0 59km NNW of Finschhafen, Papua New Guinea
2017-12-01 02:50:00 (UTC) 52.7 km

18 6.0 58km NNE of Kerman, Iran
2017-12-01 02:32:46 (UTC) 10.0 km

17 6.5 Central Mid-Atlantic Ridge
2017-11-30 06:32:50 (UTC) 10.0 km pre-syzygy



16 6.0 25km SE of Taron, Papua New Guinea out
2017-11-27 07:11:12 (UTC) 57.8 km



15 6.0 194km SE of Mata-Utu, Wallis and Futuna
2017-11-20 18:51:07 (UTC) 6.0 km

14 6.0 97km E of Tadine, New Caledonia
2017-11-20 00:09:23 (UTC) 10.0 km

13 7.0 86km ENE of Tadine, New Caledonia
2017-11-19 22:43:29 (UTC) 10.0 km

12 6.6 71km E of Tadine, New Caledonia
2017-11-19 15:09:03 (UTC) 16.5 km

11 6.3 85km E of Tadine, New Caledonia syzygy
2017-11-19 09:25:47 (UTC) 4.0 km


10 6.4 63km ENE of Nyingchi, China pre-syzygy
2017-11-17 22:34:19 (UTC) 8.0 km



09 6.5 18km W of Parrita, Costa Rica
2017-11-13 02:28:23 (UTC) 19.4 km

08 7.3 30km S of Halabjah, Iraq
2017-11-12 18:18:17 (UTC) 19.0 km

07 6.1 Ascension Island region
2017-11-11 00:36:14 (UTC) 10.0 km

06 6.0 165km ESE of Hachijo-jima, Japan out
2017-11-09 07:42:11 (UTC) 12.0 km



05 6.5 67km WSW of Angoram, Papua New Guinea post-syzygy
2017-11-07 21:26:38 (UTC) 107.4 km


04 6.8 86km NE of Hihifo, Tonga syzygy
2017-11-04 09:00:19 (UTC) 10.0 km



03 6.0 110km ESE of Tadine, New Caledonia pre-syzygy
2017-11-01 05:09:00 (UTC) 10.0 km

02 6.6 104km E of Tadine, New Caledonia
2017-11-01 02:23:55 (UTC) 9.9 km

01 6.1 110km E of Tadine, New Caledonia
2017-11-01 00:09:29 (UTC) 10.0 km


Depending on how you set the windows, this is maybe 5 of 19 quakes that are outside the Syzygy windows.

In other words, 14 of 19 inside, suggesting a pretty good correlation.

Not as dramatic a correlation as previously, but then, one of the major contributing factors is absent now, so not surprising, I guess.


As for sex offending and such-like misdemeanours...

Rules apparently are mainly for the men...

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/notorious-teacher-sex-scandals/

Or, maybe the MSM is just lying!

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Devastating Earthquakes used to be designated by 6.4 or greater, until the USGS raised the minimum to 7.4, because of the increasing occurrence of 6.4 quakes, and they didn't want the public to become concerned about the increasing frequency of devastating Earthquakes, all around the World. The fact that 6.4 has become so common, is not something to be complacent about. The Ring of Fire is most susceptible to devastating Earthquakes, for good reason; again, not something to take comfort in.

If it makes you kibitzers, happier curmudgeons, I'll just go ahead and predict a range of magnitude from 7.4 to 9.2.

SmartyPants said...

Magnitude 7.2 is the current, official USGS designation for Devastating Earthquakes.

Trekker said...

Why are people's comments totally unrelated to the topic of the blog?

Two Percent said...

Couldn't find it.

Could you link, please?

expat said...

Trekker: I guess the commenters aren't interested in Mike Bara's hypocrisy.

Two Percent said...

Trekker,

I think it's a mutiny in progress!

Mike Bara and the other "usual suspects" have been 'done to death' on this blog. I think everyone is tired of the same old...

Besides, it seems that "mocking + pseudoscience" is to science as wine gone bad (vinegar) is to milk.

And it looks to me like there's an element of jealousy in the attack on Mikey's apparent attractiveness to the female of the species. Actually, I think ole Mikey is way ahead of the curve on this. When I try to teach my wife about cars and engines, I encounter disinterested incomprehension. To many women, technology is just a mechanism by which to communicate, cook and get places. They don't really care how it works, so long as they can utilise it. So it doesn't matter to them whether it's pseudo or science. They couldn't care less about Mars. Mikey's simply enjoying what all rock stars know. Stand on a stage and make some kind of noise, and you'll attract women. It's very primitive stuff, but hell, it works!

And, many thanks to President, Mr T, America seems to be completely in the grip of a massive epidemic of feminitis. The American male needs to adapt...

expat said...

So, let's see.... I'm jealous of a 57-year old overweight American with a sad comb-over and six failed books to his name, who hasn't got a regular gf, let alone a wife and children. I see, I see...

Two Percent said...

The other photos must be from a while ago...

Doesn't LOOK like a comb-over. Thinning a bit in the Desert Contact pic, I guess, but, yeah, not much style to it.

SIX Failed books!? Huh, our local library invested heavily then. It lists seven. But believe me, his books are BY NO MEANS the worst "non"-fiction books our librarians have considered worthy. If I remember the title of my favourite worst non-fiction book, I'll let you know. I guess this is the way the world is going. Virtual book-burning, by a slow process of "replacement" with the New Truth.

I guess he's younger than you?

Apart from that, yeah, what's to envy? ;-)

Glad we're seeing eye-to-eye now.

expat said...

« SIX Failed books!? Huh, our local library invested heavily then. It lists seven. »

Yes, the seventh was not a failure by any means. It sold very well. NOT, however, as well as my most successful non-fiction book.

Two Percent said...

How about that! Good to know.

What's its title, please?

expat said...

Sorry, squire, I'm never going to reveal my identity here.

expat said...

Further comment from 2% disallowed. Probing around for my identity is discouraged.

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Don't worry Patrick. Your secret identity is safe with me; unless, of course, somebody actually were to pay me to say, more than you pay me not to say.

Chris said...

TP: "Mike Bara and the other "usual suspects" have been 'done to death' on this blog. I think everyone is tired of the same old..."

That's a daft statement even by your standards. Imagine going to a cooking blog, posting pages of conspiracy crap and then suggesting that food recipes have been done to death and everyone is tired of it.

As I said to you two weeks ago, "This blog focuses on a number of pseudoscientists of which Morningstar is one. If you want a blog which will entertain your conspiracies there are plenty of others suited to the task."

Two Percent said...

"That's a daft statement even by your standards."

Echo, echo, echo...

Hmm. I think the way this thread and the one before it have gone is evidence in support of exactly what I suggested.

"Imagine going to a cooking blog, posting pages of conspiracy crap and then suggesting that food recipes have been done to death and everyone is tired of it."

Imagine! Wouldn't THAT be a waste of time!?

However...

* This is not a cooking blog.

* It's not me who has been posting pages of conspiracy crap.


Oh, but wait... You can justify that last point by more simple Copy & Paste. Please do. I await your evidence.

Besides, hopefully, the cooking blog wouldn't repeat the same half dozen fry-up recipes, over and over.


* As I understand it... This blog is dedicated to demolishing pseudoscience. Bring it on! I'm all for it.

Of course, I welcome your evidence disproving those statements too.


Yes, I did post a link to Mike Adams' scientific analysis of bullet flights on YouTube.

You might want to label that "conspiracy crap", but, frankly, science doesn't give a shit! Call it crap, call it shit, call it brilliant. Whatever. Science is scientific, like it, hate it, label it whatever you like. It doesn't care.

Of course, I understand the politics, but I thought someone might rise above that for the sake of proving that Mike Adams' analysis was in fact nothing but, as you say, conspiracy crap.

I even went so far as to suggest there might be a flaw in his analysis that one of you might have been able to break open, but, Nah. Not even a murmur. No one even responded, and definitely no one demolished that stinking pile of conspiracy crap with a couple of hundred rounds of high-velocity, automatic gunfire. Not even you, Chris. Because, of course, it's quite good science, and you mockers are simply not up to it. But have a go anyway. Show us all what you're made of. Show us why that's conspiracy crap.

As for much of the other posts I have made, they have either countered the nonsensical, even ludicrous "Official" story, or simply asked difficult questions. But feel free to show us where I have slipped up and posted anything that you can prove was, or is, conspiracy crap.


As I said to you two weeks ago, "This blog focuses on a number of pseudoscientists of which Morningstar is one. If you want a blog which will entertain your conspiracies there are plenty of others suited to the task."


I'm not getting into that discussion again. As I'm sure you well know, expat doesn't approve of it. Accordingly, I will not stoop to that level again. Nice try though.


OTOH, about 6 weeks ago, you had this to say:

TP: "What I think you really mean is, "Get off our blog because you're disturbing the peace and quiet of our own little echo chamber.""

Of course you think that. I've already established that your ego and lack of skills makes you tend towards a conspiracy to explain things, so of course it makes sense to you that I didn't mean what I wrote but something else which plays into your fantasy, in which clever you are uncovering the Truth while being beaten down by those trying to suppress you.


Which is it, Chris?

Anonymous said...

Hey! What happened to the little pome 2pc wrote?

expat said...

I couldn't decode it so I deleted it.

Chris said...

He's back on Twitter now giving everyone the benefit of his legendary football knowledge.

Ivan Horn said...

Although not really the subject of Ex Pat's post (Mike Bara's insulting mouth flapping) a prediction of a 70% probability of a magnitude 6.4 earthquake in a 13 day period is hardly newsworthy.

Events in the 6 - 6.9 range worldwide occur on average once every three days, even 7 - 7.9 ones happen more frequently than once a month.

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/browse/stats.php

expat said...

IMO we're already past the point at which any seismic activity could reasonably be connected to the supermoon.

Two Percent said...

expat,

"... any seismic activity ..."

I think that's a little Black and White. It's just not that simple. The Lunar cycles are just one small factor. But I think there is no doubt they contribute, they play a part. In fact, I'd go so far as to say, without the Moon, we would have far fewer Earthquakes. If that is true, then perhaps most of our Earthquakes are related to the Moon, but not very much to Lunar syzygies, which is what has been suggested.

Though whether this latest quake should be included in the Supermoon 'window' is debatable:

6.5
54km NW of Fais, Micronesia
2017-12-08 00:22:53 (UTC)
7.5 km


P.S. There was no code, 'twas just a simple, single-rhyming ode. If anything, it was another question, though not relating to your identity.

Two Percent said...

P.P.S:

That book title I promised you:

A Silent Invasion: The Truth About Aliens, Alien Abductions, and UFOs
by Reverend Debra Marshall (Author)

I'm sure the publisher created the intriguing title.

Trust me, it goes very downhill, very rapidly, from there.

It makes something of a study / case for pareidolia, so no doubt, Bara would be disinterested.

How it made it to the non-fiction section is truly beyond my ken.

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

With two more super Moons on the way, along with the Spring Equinox, and a seismic window of +/- ten days, there is significantly more chance than not, of having several devastating Earthquakes through the first quarter of next year.

expat said...

Updated

expat said...

Theadora, I've said it before—you simply cannot have your +/- 10 days. That's two thirds of the entire lunar cycle, it's preposterous.

Anonymous said...

Very clever of Mikey. To write a rhetorical question like that. Maybe he left out the ? on purpose!

So why does Bara need a blog like this devoted to exposing him?

He's doing a fantastic job all on his own.

Anonymous said...

The Windows overlap on my computer.

What's wrong with that?

THE Orbs Whiperer said...


California has just had 43 Earthquakes in the past 24 hours; twice as many quakes as normal. The seismic window of +/- ten days, in relation to perigee; not an everyday, occurrence.

Chris said...

expat: "you simply cannot have your +/- 10 days. That's two thirds of the entire lunar cycle, it's preposterous."

Especially if you consider that ~4 days after the +10 days the moon is once again aligned on the other side of Earth with the same effectiveness, such as it is. If you take +/- 10 days for that alignment too the entire lunar cycle is covered for predictions, with plenty of overlap too for good measure.

Two Percent said...

On the subject of Event Windows and such like...

The Las Vegas Massacre took place on the evening of 1 October (2017). The official, crazed lone gunman story is now forcibly pasted into the pages of history. The new media has moved on, sort of. The sidestream (sideshow) media is now feasting, as one might expect, on the aftermath lawsuits: http://people.com/crime/las-vegas-shooting-victim-sues-45-million-gunmans-estate/ https://theblast.com/stephen-paddock-creditors-claim/ [Warning: This could be more fake news!] If there's now $45 million in Paddock's estate, he's done very well on those official story LV pokie machines, since he and his brother sold their CA Real Estate business for a paltry $2m. http://time.com/money/4969462/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-gambler-real-estate-guns/ Obviously, he went on to much bigger, and better, things.

On 9 October Mike Adams published the video of his analysis of sound recordings from the events, showing that the sounds of bullet strikes and the associated gunfire could be used to work out the distance to the shooter. In this manner, he determined that bullets were fired from as far away as the Mandalay Bay Hotel, and from somewhere else, only about half that distance away.

The link to that video [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI ] was published here on 18 November, along with the suggestion that this assertion deserved peer review.

It's now 9 December, so Mike Adams' video has been out for two months. Considering, as he claims, he put it together in one day, that seems ample time to have analysed and reviewed it, debunking it if that was possible.

It's now been known to this group for 3 weeks and no one here has shown that it's pseudoscience. And there doesn't seem to be anything more credible on the 'Net showing that either.

Of course, the window of opportunity to disprove science (or false science, or pseudoscience) never closes (at least, until it's done), so I'm not about to suggest that.

But I think enough time has elapsed to say that here, silence signifies assent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_procedure

If anyone here can show that Adams' analysis is garbage, bring it on!

Or let's agree: apparently based in science, it looks like there were multiple shooters at the LVM.

2%


P.S.

expat: Of course Orbs can have his +/- 10 day windows. If he has separate "F" windows for Full Moons, and equally separate "N" Windows for New Moons (or ignores those completely), they don't overlap. There's a full 4.75 days either side. But then, he is bound to keep them forever separate. And the value of his resulting data... <0.02%?


chris: " aligned on the other side of Earth with the same effectiveness"

Are you saying (just a question) wrt the Moon, that Sun+Earth on one side has the "same effectiveness" as Sun on one side, Earth on the opposite side? Isn't one way additive, the other subtractive?

expat said...

0.02: Let me try again:

List of places where shell casings were found after the Las Vegas Massacre:

1. Paddock's suite at the Mandaly Bay
2.
3.
4.
5.


Pray continue....

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Super Moons have a more powerful effect and are relatively scarce, so that creates a greater likelihood of devastating quakes than during more regular Perigees.

I've seen movies where the hit man actually takes a brief moment to pick up spent ammo cartridges so as not to get a ticket for littering.

Two Percent said...

expat said...
0.02: ...


Oh, the irony! A headline most apt. Deeper significance than it appears.


So, James Concannon is your evil twin, your doppelganger? I did wonder.

"James Concannon said...
Dear 0.02: On the question of "different locations" and without having recourse to the highly unreliable Tube that is You, perhaps it would be helpful if we list all the places in and around that hotel in which spent ammunition casings have been found since 1st Oct. I'll start, and you carry on...


1. Paddock's suite
2.
3.
4.
5.
November 19, 2017 at 6:57 AM



expat said...
0.02: Let me try again:

List of places where shell casings were found after the Las Vegas Massacre:

1. Paddock's suite at the Mandaly Bay
2.
3.
4.
5.


Pray continue....
December 9, 2017 at 1:49 PM
"

expat, I'm a little disappointed. Try as you might, I'm not playing that game.

Clearly, you confuse what is "reported" in the media (the MSM for starters), with evidence, fact and truth.

For a whole host of reasons, what gets reported very often cannot be relied on. I'll list a few:

Company lawyers. If they say, "You can't publish that," they don't.
Company bosses & owners. ---ditto---
Courts and Judges. ---ditto---
Police and other Officials. ---ditto---
Other "Factors". Political connections, protected parties, favours and allegiances owed, etc.

If they can't publish A, then they'll more than likely publish B, which will be far less accurate. "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story!"

Then, there are:

Press Conferences, where "official" stories get told, often with SFA proof. Call to Authority applies, and whatever they are told, the journalists usually accept with little probing.
Bosses, Deadlines & Competition. All pressures which get in the way of facts, fact checking and analysis.
The Competitive Industry. It's about selling copy, breaking the story first, etc, etc... Just get the story out!
So-called "Objectivity" aka "Balanced" reporting, where journos are often required to water things down, or provide conflicting opinions, etc.
Journalists. They often don't know or understand stuff. Even basic stuff. Like the journalist who wrote that AF447 had "engine stall" warnings before the crash. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8541703/3.5-minutes-of-terror-Air-France-crash-dropped-at-10000-feet-a-minute.html
The plane suffered aerodynamic stall and associated warnings... There have been multitudes of similar examples, like the "guy shot 3 times" story.


If you have had much involvement with the media, you would have seen things things at play, and would know first hand that, very often, what was said gets reported completely differently, and turns out to be the "counter opinion" to their "real" story, and sometimes, ends up looking ridiculous.

Anyway, back to the question of shell casings. The MSM now claims that Paddock fired about 1,100 rounds that night, from his hotel suite. I don't know how they got that figure and I'm not sure it's been stated (just believed and swallowed whole) but I haven't done much checking. By my estimate, based on the photos that have been released, they found about 20 of those empty casings in his room, meaning about 1,080 must be missing.

The media hasn't been reporting where the missing casings were located, so it's a good question, but I don't have the answers.

Two Percent said...

In this whole story, I prefer the scientific method, which I think goes a bit like this. Look at the best facts (versus the alleged facts) and formulate a hypothesis. Test the hypothesis against what is known and see if there is a fit. If not, ditch that, look for a new hypothesis. Repeat...

Clearly, in this case, science is extremely helpful. Many of the various personally published videos were probably reliable (but may have been "amended" by now.) As there were quite a few, collecting and cross-checking as many as possible would be very useful.

No doubt, all the bullet strike marks have been thoroughly patched over by now... That, of course, is destroying the evidence...

Regardless of what the media, the Police, the FBI and others may have said, if the science shows from the solid evidence that there had to be multiple shooters that night, then isn't that the leading hypothesis?

expat said...

« Clearly, you confuse what is "reported" in the media ... with evidence, fact and truth. »

I reject that statement; I don't think that is clear at all. Spent shell casings, in the case of gunfire, are primary evidence. If there is an allegation of multiple shooters, we would like to know where that evidence is please.

Since I cannot go to Vegas and investigate for myself, and I have no personal contacts either in LVPD or the FBI, I have no choice but to get my information from the media. I fancy that you are in the same position, .02. The difference is that your sources include Youtube. Not many people would think that's an improvement.

THE Orbs Whiperer said...

Journalism is a lost profession, Patrick. Your response here to the mass murder at the Mandalay, exemplifies your usual predilection for prejudicial jumping to conclusions. While we can speculate all we want, and you might even publish a few of our comments, this thread so far, and this blog in general, rarely ever actually proves or disproves any media reports about science, crime, or gossip. If you, sir, were to uphold to the Scientific Method, the Rules of Legal Evidence, or even the principals of Professional Journalism, you wouldn't argue for your default bias of disbelief, and your selective editing of comments, to support that bias. Granted, a lot of the comments you censor are no doubt frivolous musings, it would lend you more credibility, to entertain the possibility of hypothetical notions, outside of the 'Accepted,' unproven view. It might be old fashioned nowadays, but how about taking a stand for a once noble profession, and becoming a more objective editor?

expat said...

Reminder: The remit of this blog is mockery of pseudoscience. However, I'll write on whatever the fuck subject I like, and the same goes for James Concannon and James Oberg. I'll also decline to write about Youtubery suggested by commenters if I so choose, without further explanation. OK???

We do, however, like to disprove claims made by the pseudos if we can. In that regard I call your attention to:

- Disproof of Hoagland & Bara's contention that on the Moon glass is twice as strong as steel
- Disproof of "Data's Head"
- Mathematical disproof of Hoagland & Bara's ideas about Explorer 1
- Disproof of Robert Morningstar's daft claims about the DSE on Apollo, and about "Moon music."
- A pretty thorough negative analysis of both the Accutron and the "Table of Coincidence"
- Disproof of at least two more of AM*'s ridiculous claims

That'll do for now

expat said...

ADD: Mathematical proof that a selenostationary orbit is impossible, hence a satellite dish on the Moon would be useless.

Proof that Bret Sheppard's entire thesis about crater Tsiolkovsky is also impossible.

Two Percent said...

"expat said...

« Clearly, you confuse what is "reported" in the media ... with evidence, fact and truth. »

I reject that statement; I don't think that is clear at all. Spent shell casings, in the case of gunfire, are primary evidence.
"


Fair enough, though I stand by what I said. Let's look into it a little further.

Originating from art, but now used in archaeology, paleontology and various other solid evidence based sciences, of which all of crime investigation and not just forensic science should be one, there is a term to describe the history of an item.

The term is Provenance, with Wikipedia offering further detail here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provenance It relates to "chain of custody" but goes further.

Basically, it means the entire history of an object (or collection thereof) such as shell casings, from the moment of discovery, if not before. Who discovered it. How. When. Where. What state was it in? Photographs, drawings, statements, etc.

As well as, most importantly, where has it been since then, how it was stored (e.g. potential DNA evidence), who has had access to it, etc. A bit like OJ's gloves, which allegedly, where deliberately damaged by someone in the defense team, to make them harder to put on. But that's another story.

The point of my discussion is to highlight the evidence for these supposed 1,100 shell casings.

Who found them? Where are the photographs taken before anything was even touched or moved? How were they handled subsequently? What kind of gloves were worn to collect them? Which casings (from the photographs) are now where? How were they all labelled? One per bag, or just tossed in by the dozen? (That could cause scratches and damage vital evidence.) Blah, blah, blah... Where are they now? It's all proper, formal, professional stuff.


Now, let's take a jump to your "knowledge" of them. Where did you learn about them? From the MS news media, no doubt, based on what you have said. Perhaps based on photos which were, apparently / allegedly, leaked... So much for Provenance!

And where did the MSM get its evidence / knowledge from? A Press Conference, I'm sure. Where some talking head (I guess Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo) made a statement...

We know the media isn't highly reliable, and can call aerodynamic stalls engine stalls. But, OK, here there were a bunch of competing reporters, so we can cross check stuff. Still doesn't mean it's true.

It might just be what the good sheriff said, even word-for-word. Doesn't make it true.

The Police are arguably even less reliable than the media. They are a government agency for a start. Supposedly reliable, but proven time after time, not to be. Just look at the current #metoo phenomenon... (But what is THE prime purpose of government?)

The US (state) has a great history of dishonest activities covered up, only to be later exposed. Wikileaks, Edward Snowden, Pte Manning...

Hell, even in my own English-law country, which has a long standing reputation of being much less corrupt than the USA, the police are corrupt. As has more recently been proven, even 45 years ago, they manufactured evidence (a shell casing, funnily enough) and planted it for the purpose of framing the wrong suspect, who spent 10 years inside before being pardoned. Not to mention the long list of wrongful convictions and acquittals...


So, when you say, "Spent shell casings ... are primary evidence", you can't be so sure. It depends on their Provenance, and without that, it's no more than hearsay.

Like me and everyone else outside of the "Circle of Elites", we don't actually know. All we have is 3rd, 4th or 5th hand "information".

So, when you offer media reported information as absolute fact, as you have been doing, I just think "How naive!"

Sorry, I know this is getting overlong again. If I had more time, I'd write less. I would like to respond to all your major points...

Two Percent said...

"THE Orbs Whiperer said...


... If you, sir, were to uphold to the Scientific Method, the Rules of Legal Evidence, or even the principals of Professional Journalism, you wouldn't argue for your default bias of disbelief, ...
"

Very well said!

Of course, it does depend on his true purpose...

Two Percent said...

expat, I'll try to be very brief here:


"If there is an allegation of multiple shooters, we would like to know where that evidence is please."

Just search the Internet. Problem now is, it's really too late. All the idiots have now had time to crawl out of their controlled environment capsules and post their versions... It's now impossible to sort fact from fabrication.

But, as I understand it, early on, which is often the only chance to glimpse the truth, there were reports of police comm's discussing multiple shooters, and eye witnesses saying the same things. (Funny, a number of those (people) also died...) Even the Taxi Driver's video has sounds of obviously very close, and obviously very distant, automatic gunfire. That, I believe, is still available.

I don't know which video / audio Adams used for his analysis (which is a provenance issue), but if it is genuine, then there is your evidence. Straight up science.

"Since I cannot go to Vegas and investigate for myself, "

Too late anyway. All will be "repaired" by now.

"... get my information from the media. I fancy that you are in the same position, .02. "

If you want to practice being correct, it's 'Two Percent', but 2% would do! And save you typing.

Anyway, to answer, Yes and No. My "Information Processor" (that brain that you once called into question) is apparently a lot more "educated" (read: skeptical, cynical, suspicious, disbelieving, etc) than yours. So, when "cover-up crap" gets reported, I suspect I am much more likely to suspect it than you might be. This whole case has had a distinctly fishy aroma, right from the outset. When supposed 'facts' like "made millions from gambling" get reported, I tend to think "Bullshit!" If I'm inclined, then I start digging around.

The difference is that your sources include Youtube.

Leave no stone unturned, my friend! By flatly rejecting YouTube outright, you save yourself time, sure, but also eliminate many small chances of finding what may be the truth. And even then, it's really hard to know. At the end of the day, it's very infrequent that I can say I know what the REAL truth is. But, being able to say "That, definitely, is NOT the Truth" is far better, in my mind, than simply accepting what I am spoon-fed, especially when it smells and tastes like rotten fish! 9/11 is another case in point.

Not many people would think that's an improvement.

I completely accept this point!

My consolation is that not many people think like me. Fact is, most people don't want the truth. They want "certainty". They want to think their world is safe, secure, and that they are being looked after. That the Government "has it under control"...

I don't recall who said it, but most people are prepared to give up their freedom in exchange for that. And that's what they are getting. (But only because it suits the providers.)

Enough, for now!

2%

expat said...

2pct: waffle, waffle waffle.... avoiding the question. The question is, where other than Paddock's suite have shell casings been found? Too bad there's no grassy knoll anywhere within range, or perhaps that would be the first place to look. Since you're unable to answer the quesion, your ideas about multi-gunmen are looking pretty shaky. Kerry Cassidy and Robert AM* are basically shot down, I consider.

Two Percent said...

Are you willing to publish the second part of my response? If Yes, I'll wait. ;-)

expat said...

>> Even the Taxi Driver's video has sounds of obviously very close, and obviously very distant, automatic gunfire. <<

No it does not. It includes at least two different gunfire sounds, to be sure. This can easily be ascribed to the fact that Paddock had many different weapons to choose from, and two vantage points that could be expected to create very different echo effects at the taxi's position.

Two Percent said...

"expat said...

2pct: waffle, waffle waffle.... avoiding the question.
"

expat, do you think asking an unanswerable question wins the case?


"The question is, where other than Paddock's suite have shell casings been found?

Answer: I don't know. I don't know if other casings were found or not. But this does not rule out multiple shooters.


Does it REALLY even matter? So, the other shooters picked up their casings. Used a shell collection bag attachment. Their Golden Retriever picked them all up... Unlike Paddock, they didn't "suicide" out of the picture.

Oh, I forgot one option. The Black Ops Special Agents picked them all up. Part of their Standard Mission Operating Procedures.


OFTEN, the nice, tidy, easy, convenient evidence is missing. No witnesses. No empty shells. No fingerprints. No CCTV recordings. No murder weapon. No blood splatter. But DNA got 'em just the same!

If The Science God can show that there were guns firing from two different ranges, isn't that FAR more important?

Let's say, I go to LV and plant a bunch of empty casings. I announce where to look. Then JonBoy finds them.

Would that be good enough? So, the fact that they might not have been found proves it never happened!? Riiiight...


"Too bad there's no grassy knoll anywhere within range,

Haha! VERY funny! Obviously, you haven't done very much research.

Take out the grassy, and there is (or was) a very convenient, large, long, sloping dirt mound, at just the right (about 250 yds) range. Call it a knoll if you like. Google street view of course doesn't provide a view from the top, so it's hard to say it is was perfectly suitable, but maybe a bit of grass would fix that! Nah, that would make it harder to find the empty casings... Bare dirt is better.


"... or perhaps that would be the first place to look. "

Oh, I'm quite sure it's been carefully searched. Whether casings were found there, I dunno. If there is a cover-up, then of course, the MSM will know! And report it.


"Since you're unable to answer the quesion, your ideas about multi-gunmen are looking pretty shaky."

Are you SERIOUS!?

Can you tell me why there we so few casings visible in the photos of Paddock's suite? If not, I say your position is just as shaky.

But this is getting really childish. Let's all grow up.



P.S. Your later response:

"This can easily be ascribed to the fact ..."

So, you'd rather ascribe, and make it a matter of subjective opinion, than use objective science?

Hmmm. Fact, again. Media reported fact.

I give up.

You win.

Chris said...

TP, what would it take to falsify your speculation that there were multiple shooters at Vegas?