Thursday, January 5, 2012

Another success for NASA. Another FAIL for Hoagland.

        The twin Grail spacecraft are successfully in  lunar orbit, starting their four-month mission to map the Moon's gravity variations.

        Richard Hoagland informed the Coast to Coast AM audience of millions that the real purpose of the mission is to locate the Moon's engines. Hoagland is the official SCIENCE ADVISER to that show. Presumably he's paid a consultancy fee.

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

Of course the moon has engines - how else do you think it powers the 19.5 Watt bulb in the middle of it, to make it shine so bright in the night sky...

Anonymous said...

Not a huge amount of talk about this (YET) in facebookland - except of course for some of the faithful quickly jumping on those who find "moon engines" to be a crazy claim...

But I shall be waiting for the OFFICIAL DATA to be presented by the Captain before passing judgement - data which he DOES HAVE by the way, but, er... can't seem to be able to find right now...?

http://i41.tinypic.com/1568k8x.png

With a bit of look, he'll find it just in time to share with us as "something wonderful" or "interesting" happens!

Anonymous said...

*luck

expat said...

He continues to claim that the ALSEP switch-off either didn't happen at all or was done for conspiratorial reasons. He obviously doesn't read this blog.

Chris Lopes said...

In this case "Science Advisor" == "uneducated hack sci fi writer wanna be". For what it's worth, the folks at C2C don't use him much in that capacity. When the story requires any actual expertise, they tend to interview actual experts. For instance, that's how they handled the Gulf Oil Spill for the most part. Real experts was used for the actual news, while Hoagland was used for "spice".

astroguy said...

How many wanna bet that he finds the engines at ±19.5°?

Biological_Unit said...

The Nazi Space Program is operating the Engines?

Wouldn't they push it into Earth, just for the Evil of it?

Binaryspellbook said...

First off. Please excuse the language, but Hoagland seriously gets on my tits.

He is a total and utter lying faced cunt.

Comet Elenin = spaceship.
YU55 = spaceship.
Phobos = spaceship.
Vesta = spaceship.
The Moon = spaceship.
Obama = Reincarnation of Horus.

And if it doesn't look like a spaceship to anyone other than his congregation. That is because they fail to see the "stunning geometry." Fail to see why people would lap up such photoshopped gobshite more like.

Anonymous said...

@Binary - I agree! His extreme arrogance and over-indulgence in his giant self-ego have definitely gotten the better of him!!

And as for his 29,000 disciples; well, they'll believe ANYTHING Captain Enterprise tells them as if it is bonafida, fully-validated FACT (but hey, why do your own thinking when Dick can do it for you?!)

Anonymous said...

(Wait, what am I saying?!?! But King Barry was born at 19.5 degrees, there can't possibly be any dispute over that; and he had his photo taken with a Mayan artifact, AND he looked at the Egyptian obelisk when he was taking his oath... how much more cast-iron, undeniable, irrefutable, HARD PROOF do you need that he is a reincarnated god here to save us all from "the bad guys" so we can all live happily ever after...)

Anonymous said...

Another RCH miss:

A New Threat to Honey Bees, the Parasitic Phorid Fly Apocephalus borealis

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0029639?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+plosone%2FEvolutionaryBiology+%28PLoS+ONE+Alerts%3A+Evolutionary+Biology%29


Abstract

Honey bee colonies are subject to numerous pathogens and parasites. Interaction among multiple pathogens and parasites is the proposed cause for Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD), a syndrome characterized by worker bees abandoning their hive. Here we provide the first documentation that the phorid fly Apocephalus borealis, previously known to parasitize bumble bees, also infects and eventually kills honey bees and may pose an emerging threat to North American apiculture. Parasitized honey bees show hive abandonment behavior, leaving their hives at night and dying shortly thereafter. On average, seven days later up to 13 phorid larvae emerge from each dead bee and pupate away from the bee. Using DNA barcoding, we confirmed that phorids that emerged from honey bees and bumble bees were the same species. Microarray analyses of honey bees from infected hives revealed that these bees are often infected with deformed wing virus and Nosema ceranae. Larvae and adult phorids also tested positive for these pathogens, implicating the fly as a potential vector or reservoir of these honey bee pathogens. Phorid parasitism may affect hive viability since 77% of sites sampled in the San Francisco Bay Area were infected by the fly and microarray analyses detected phorids in commercial hives in South Dakota and California's Central Valley. Understanding details of phorid infection may shed light on similar hive abandonment behaviors seen in CCD.

expat said...

I don't think Apocephalus borealis is even hyperdimensional.

Chris Lopes said...

Good catch Anon. Yes, it seems that real science has once again conspired to make Hoagland look like an idiot. Obviously since they are all out to get him, he must be right.

Chris Lopes said...

Speaking of reality failing Hoagland, anyone care to guess what his reaction will be when Phobos Grunt comes down in the middle of the month? My bet is the "It's a cover story" ploy.

expat said...

Oh yes, he already set that up. It set off on its seekrit mission to rendezvous with YU55.

It won't work if bits fall on land, however. In that case he won't say anything and will refuse to answer questions.

Binaryspellbook said...

Some recent claims by the anointed one. Curiosity was so named, not because a kid won a competition to name a spacecraft. No sir. NASA, already had that name in mind. They merely chose the name of a little girl who had picked out the same name they wanted all along.

They chose the name curiosity because of the old saying "curiosity killed the cat." And since Mars had once been populated by an intelligent Feline civilisation. Curiosity would perhaps find out what happened to this ancient race of Mars Cat People.

There was more, so much more to laugh at in this interview which I will provide the link for. Just in case people think I made all this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Lly1dM6TY&feature=related

Chris Lopes said...

Binaryspellbook,
Anyone who has followed Hoagland for any length of time could hardly doubt he is capable of saying such nonsense. This is the guy remember, who insisted that a View Master set of a 1950's TV show was proof that the elites were trying to tell us about those cat people on Mars you mentioned. This is also the guy who insists that Obama is sending him (and anyone else "in the know") secret messages in his White House Christmas card. So the theory on the naming of Curiosity is well within Hoagland's ability to spout stuff that makes no sense whatever.

strahlungsamt said...

Wow Dr. Dale,
Richard Hoagland was right
after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWB6Cf7nvYs

Very funny video made from the Tom Corbett View Master slides.

jourget said...

Chris,

Most definitely. I'm beginning to doubt whether he believes there is actually such a thing as science fiction.

"My good friend" Arthur C. Clarke was in the know, was being watched before his death, and that's why I didn't send him a copy of Dark Mission.

George Lucas (!) was a well-known fan of closely examining Apollo photographs during the 1970s and slyly put a reference to lunar artifacts in his films, in the form of a mincing android.

And so on. I've got a great hyperdimensional theory that posits that Shatner's Khan yell was an expression of Roddenberry's frustration at being unable to reveal the existence of the libraries deep beneath the surface of a dead planet...buried alive...buried alive....

It's called...SCIENCE!

Chris Lopes said...

I'm beginning to doubt whether he believes there is actually such a thing as science fiction.

That brings up one of the eternal questions around here: Is Hoagland really delusional enough to believe all this nonsense, or is he just conning the gullible?

My own answer to that one is a bit more complicated than picking either one or the other. I'm sure for instance, that when he first went with some of these ideas (The Face on Mars, for instance), he believed the theories were at least plausible. Over time though, he had to see where the evidence was going, but since he'd already made a career of it, he was stuck. This is particularly true since his usefulness as a real science reporter was by then, rather limited.

So now he's forced to defend the indefensible in a constant struggle where reality insists on proving him wrong. This limits where he can go with his BS, as any venue with a thinking audience is likely to go pretty badly for him. That's why he hangs out with kooks like Kerry Cassidy and fear porn shows like C2C. That's also why he has spent so much energy (a lot more than any real celebrity would) in pruning his Face Book garden, so only the most loyal (and gullible, but I repeat myself) fans go there. It's so bad, not even he posts much these days.

That's not to say that Hoagland isn't capable of falling for his own silliness in the heat of the moment. One of the highlights of his C2C visits (for me anyway) is to see just how far he'll go to sound interesting to people still awake at 3 in the morning. It's those magic moments (that usually start with the words "You know George, I've never said this before, but....") that make him such an entertaining guy to listen to.

expat said...

I think Dark Mission was born out of sheer hatred of NASA, for dissing him in general and for refusing him accreditation to the Mars Pathfinder launch in particular.

Witness the very first sentence of the first edition: "The NASA we have known for 50 years has been a lie" (an accusation he abjectly fails to substantiate in what follows.) It was a sad day for publishing when Adam Parfrey decided to go with it.

Trekker said...

Excellent summary, Chris!

Biological_Unit said...

Mark Biltz; Blood Moons And Solar Eclipses Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69AWxiVMJ0E

RCH will probably run with this!

Anonymous said...

If you think Captain Hoagland is bad, you wanna check out the sycophantic regulars on his facebook page: I love how hoagie's faves are so quick to dismiss and make fun of every other well-known name on the "alternative" circuit as fakes, frauds, liars and cheats etc...

Yeah, it's much, MUCH more probable that there really are all sorts of comet spaceships 19.5 degrees from earth just waiting for a re-incarnted Egyptian god to transform humanity into a paradise - and only ONE MAN knows it! (but you can know it to, if you buy the book or conference dvd!)...

Chris Lopes said...

Anon,
They learn well from the master. Hoagland loves playing the "I'm the scientific one" game when it comes to others in the pseudo-science field. He's always asking "where's the EVIDENCE!" (with a humorous lack of irony) when those other alternate theories are brought up. It's as if Hoagland is so insecure that he can't allow anyone else be seen as an authority.

That's why he's always playing Socrates with his disciples. He needs that affirmation that he's the expert, even on subjects there can't be any expertise in (like the meaning of a Presidential Christmas card). He tried to play that game with me once (The subject was why Obama doesn't seem to like the Brits much), but since I didn't see him as any more informed on the matter than I was, I just dropped the conversation entirely. I don't think he liked that. :)

Binaryspellbook said...

Chris,

Pretty much encapsulated my opinion of Hoagland.

Anonymous said...

Very true, Chris. Hoagie is always spouting "where's the evidence" - except of course when he's giving his own evidence of "hyper dimensional physics", "super secret sources" and all-things 19.5

(I wonder if I can get a degree in "christmas card-ology" so can one day be as knowledgeable as the master?!?)

Binaryspellbook said...

Before I was banned from his Facebook page. I asked Hoagland on numerous occasions to substantaite his claims mathematically. Of course he either side-stepped, ignored or tucked tail and ran.

How many times has Hoagland made a claim without a shred of evidence. For example. He claimed that his HD model predicted that global warming was not limited to the Earth. I asked him to show me the evidence. I got pointed to a page on enterprise which showed a circumstribed tetrahedron.

I protested that this was not free energy, warp drive capability nor the secret of immortality. All of which his HD model apparently predicts.

In the end I got branded a liar and banned from his page. Just like so many others. On the up side though. It would appear that his shenannigans will soon come to an end where certain researchers are concerned. Richard Dolan for example has started to name names and call out the snake oil salesmen such as Richard Hoagland.

Chris Lopes said...

Binaryspellbook,
I've always thought Dolan was the more interesting presenter at events he's been to with Hoagland, but I didn't know he was speaking out against the guy. Where is he saying these things?

James Concannon said...

Binaryspellbook: As another bannee from Hoagland's fussbook, I sympathize. One of my crimes was to ask several times why he said the Port-au-Prince earthquake, whose second anniversary is today, occurred at 19.5°N. The actual latitude is very well established as 18.457°.

expat said...

Hmmmm, wonder why neither Hoagland or Bara have signed up for this year's Conscious Life Expo?

I see, however, Hoagland's been invited aboard the Galactic Alignment Crooz in December. I get a cozy feeling looking at the schedule, which has the Carnival Triumph docking back in Galveston on the 22nd. Clearly these loonies don't think the world is going to end.

Binaryspellbook said...

James, We have spoken via pm's on facebook before mate. SApecifically regarding the De Palma spinning ball experiment. Which I offered to set up for Hoagland. He of course ignored the entire thread. However were the experiment a success, the chances are Hoagland would be all over it like a bad suit claiming it as his own.

Expat, I have been in personal correspondence with Richard Dolan. Much of which involved the conmen and hoaxsters in the UFO field. Hoagland featured heavily in our conversations.

Dolan assured me that the time has come to speak out against frauds such as Hoagland. So perhaps his coat is on a shaky nail with regard to being invited to conferences where woo-woo is not welcome. Let's hope so.

Binaryspellbook said...

Chris, Dolan started the ball rolling on his facebook page. Some weeks after we had corresponded about this issue. I saw the post, picked up the ball and ran with it.

First posting a C2C show with Hoagland as the main guest. In this program he simply loses the plot. Utterly and convincingly. I couldn't have chosen better material to show Hoagland up for the lying bastard he is. Sue me Richard. I can prove you are a lying bastard. I'll nab a couple of screenshots for people who don't have access, and post the link to the show I cited as an example of Hoaglands fraud.

Oh and he also banned my girlfriend (an Oxford PhD in applied mathematics and electronic engineering) for having the temerity to say that Hoagland wasn't a scientist and that his mathematics were bogus. That caused a fir of apoplexy before he posted a dictionary definition of scientist. Then banned her.

Binaryspellbook said...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=295479457164491&id=100003328151985

Binaryspellbook said...

Dolan's contributions to the thread are in the post above this one.

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Chris Lopes said...

I tried the link, but it has either been removed, or I need permission to view it.

Binaryspellbook said...

Screenshot of Dolans page (it's a long thread...so only a wee bit here.)


http://www.binaryspellbook.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dolansfacebook.jpg

Binaryspellbook said...

Aye Chris, you probably need to be either logged into facebook and a friend of Dolan or maybe even just logged into facebook. I posted a screenshot anyway mate.

Binaryspellbook said...

I'm not giving up on this. That prick branded me a liar in a public forum, in front of my children. Irrespective of the fact that my arguments against his were flawless.

Wouldn't it be nice to see him have his financial statements hacked by anon.

Anonymous said...

With regards to Hoagie not liking being called "not a real scientist", I remember when we had the whole "Elenin spaceship ancient library hopi blue star something-wonderful" fiasco going round a couple of months back; his "everything is at 19.5 - angles, magnitudes, significant dates etc, natural probabilities in the trillions" rubbish that he presented at Awake & Aware was taken to two or three university math professors who deal with probabilities math by [the very well respected by all] Bill Ryan, who on his Project Avalon had said the math professors had all said RCH did not fully grasp nor use the use of probabilities mathematics correctly, and thus his calculations and conclusions were extremely wrong and non-existent...

I'm not sure if RCH ever responded to this publicly or was even aware of it, although I suspect -as we've seen time and time again- he wouldn't care much for ANYONE who disagrees with his science: you either plain "just dont get it", or you are a "troll" or you are refusing to accept the obvious, or you are part of the system trying to hide the 19.5 spaceship, etc etc.

The sooner he loses credibility the better - OR!! I'll happily take REAL theories, REAL conclusions, based on REAL science... if he has any.

Anonymous said...

@Binary & @Chris: if you want to post pictures or links from facebook for non-members to see, just take a screenshot and upload that screenshot to tinypic.com, and then post that link. That way everyone see's your screenshot, withouth being a facebook fan. Hope that helps.

expat said...

Stuart Robbins also destroyed Hoagland's Elenin probability poppycock.

Binaryspellbook said...

Agreed. The sooner these liars such as Hoagland Wilcock and the rest lose credibility the better. I must admit to being a MASSIVE fan of Mike Bara though. As an object of easy ridicule he is top drawer material. But hey what would I know ? I'm only a lowly engineer which makes me a "blithering idiot" on Mike's universally accepted academic ratings.

Chris Lopes said...

Binaryspellbook ,
That was an interesting tidbit to say the least. Dolan appears to be trying to be diplomatic at the moment, but he sounds like he wants to unload on some people.

Anon,
I didn't know Ryan was one of Hoagland's detractors. Considering how much Kerry fawns over the guy (anyone who saw her lame intro of him at Irvine knows what I am talking about) it's surprising her one time partner is skeptical.

Binaryspellbook said...

Chris, Dolan is already naming names on that thread. Albeit by initials. It's obvious who he is meaning and therefore who will be his primary targets. I'm looking forward to him unloading a broadside in the near future against these frauds.

Binaryspellbook said...

More screens from Dolan's page.

http://www.binaryspellbook.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dolan1.jpg

http://www.binaryspellbook.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dolan2.jpg

Chris Lopes said...

Binaryspellbook,

Again, interesting discussion you all are having there. The "Cat People of Mars" stuff (sounds like an Edgar Rice Burroughs novel) is quite funny and Richard using a 1950's TV show as evidence is just plain ridiculous. One of the (many) failures of fact and logic of the idea is that Willy Ley was neither a writer nor a creator of the show (Wikipedia gives that honor to Joseph Lawrence Greene), just the technical advisor. His job was to make sure they got the science right, not something Hoagland would know anything about.

Anonymous said...

@Chris: I find Bill Ryan to be a well-grounded, level-headed and objective person who brings a lot more calmness and logic than most, to the "pseudo hysteria" of the circuit. He is pretty much the exact opposite to Kerry Cassidy (although I don't doubt she "means well").

I have a lot of time and respect for Bill -as do many others across the "pseudo" or "alternative" circuit- but yes, you can search for the Elenin thread on the Avalon Forum for Bill's words about RCH "mathematical probabilities" argument.

Essentially, Bill said RCH had gotten his math wrong (as university professors had concluded) and thus he was making too many assertive leaps, or leaps too far in his conclusions because of the unwavering 19.5 fixation, and thus, effectively doing more harm than good by getting it completely wrong, and harming his own [RCH's] character in the process: even though RCH genuinely, undoubtedly believed his own conclusions.

I think Bill also raised the idea RCH was *possibly* being used by the TPTB as a test of RCH's popularity: after all, RCH had gotten to quite a prominent level, people were listening to him, his opinions became immediate "facts" to thousands of people around the world, without question, so it may have been the perfect time to feed him the "right kind" of info so he would make "crazy theory become fact" and have thousands of people believing it, and all looking in the wrong direction.

I'm loosely paraphrasing Bill's summary, but he was a lot more kind and diplomatic towards RCH and his "spaceship conclusions" than many others have been (although I suspect Bill will have said exactly what he thought, behind close doors with RCH).

I think to many who know of Camelot, "Cassidy & Ryan" seemed on the surface to have been a "package deal", but this was never fully the case. Sure, they were both committed to "the truth" and had a passion for interviewing whistleblowers to expose the bigger picture of what is really going on; but they were/are very different people, and Bill very much "balanced" Kerry as best as possible whilst having a "back-seat role"; but I think he knew, when the time was right, he would have a bigger benefit to "the cause" by going it alone, letting his own style and approach advance in ways many found Kerry simply could not.

(Just my opinion of course).

Binaryspellbook said...

I am of the opinion that Hoagland knew his Elenin mathematics were bogus. After all Nev Parchmein demonstrated that brilliantly on Hoaglands facebook page. A crime for which myself my girlfriend and many others suffered similar treatment. Besides his maths were so excruciatingly awful he MUST have known. Unless of course he actually is an imbecile.

Anonymous said...

@Binary: I was following the RCH-Nev thread (before Nev got booted for "refusing to accept the facts"), however I personally think RCH believes everything he says 100%. I do not believe he is a playing a "convincing actor" role because he knows it's all rubbish. I could be wrong of course, but I think the reality is more scary than him knowingly "telling lies" to sell - he BELIEVES ALL THIS 10000%, without question.

...And if you don't, you best not say so on his webpage or you will get banned as well: it's for believers-only!! (30,000 sheep must make a pretty penny in book sales and dvds and web conferences though??)

Chris Lopes said...

Anon,
I'd have to disagree with you there. When Hoagland plays it straight, he can actually be very good. If it was just a mistake, you'd expect him to at least acknowledge it (after everyone even a little familiar with probability theory pointed it put to him) instead of repeating it at every turn. His reaction to Nev and others betrays a guy who knows he's full of it, but is hoping his audience doesn't know any better.

It's the same deal with the rocket equation. He had to know that the math was all wrong. I'm not a rocket scientist, but it only took me a few minutes to verify he'd screwed it up badly. It's hard to believe that a "NASA consultant" would make such a huge mistake. In fact, my guess is that if it hadn't been pointed out to him (rather strongly) he would have never come clean on it. To this day, he'd be claiming the huge increase in delta V, instead of one "above the statistical noise" (the math of which has never been seen).

So no, I don't think Hoagland is REALLY that stupid. I just think he sees his audience that way.

Binaryspellbook said...

Chris, You absolutely nailed it mate. Hoagland is a 100% fully concious fraud. Simply put Hoagland is a liar.

Anonymous said...

It's a fair point, Chris. I agree RCH probably does think his audience is relatively stupid and needs to be educated by his good self - as he is the only one that knows "the full truth" and can do it (and if you're one of the few who sees the glaring errors, you get banned).

I still think he really IS that self-deluded more so than "openly lying" - but either way, it still doesn't change the crap he spouts, the "authority" he exerts and the effect he has.

We don't have to agree on this point about RCH but I'm sure we can all agree, there will be even more of his utter nonsense over the course of 2012.