Facebook is great, but it would certainly be nice to have some direct support to continue the research. There are limited hours to get things done and cover expenses. For years all the research on Enterprisemission has been published for free. I find it a sad commentary that the more the was given, less was given back by this audience.. Free time is a luxury. You can always support the research of Enterprisemission through Paypal.May I suggest the following sliding scale of assistance:
Updating the web site: $50
Correct prediction: $40
Correct statement: $20
That way his income for 2011 would be $20. He scored ZERO web site updates, ZERO correct predictions, and ONE correct statement. He described the MSL landing sequence correctly. He also had the close approach of YU55 right but spoiled it by saying "It'll happen while we're all distracted by Elenin," which was WRONG, as was his further statement that President Obama would be in Hawaii at the time.
$20 ain't much but perhaps he'll try harder this year now that he's broke. Doing something about that horrible web site would be a good start.
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Just finished reading that thread. You know, I don't remember Phil Plait or Michio Kaku begging for money to continue their research. Of course they both have real jobs. They both are actually paid to do real research and teach real students.
Hoagland on the other hand, just sits home and surfs the Web in his bathrobe. His rare bursts of productivity are usually spent ripping off other people's ideas and putting them in boring ass Power Point presentations. He's burned through one coauthor (Bara) and frightened another potential one off (Joseph Farrell). And that dreadful Website hasn't been touched in almost 2 years. He's not busy with anything, he just doesn't want to get off the damn couch.
"Misti Parker: I would be willing to pay for each tough question that he actually would answer instead of deleting then running away to hide behind a woman's skirt."
Robin is fighting back! And Misti is threatening to sue!
Yes, Robin is just as able to be nasty as "The Captain", and for the same reason. The nonsense they both sell is their livelihood. If people like Misti are left unchallenged, it could well affect their bottom line, so war must be declared. It is very much a take no prisoners stand that Hoagland himself has been all too happy to take. Now he's letting the (up until now) "nice" lady do it for him. That bottle he's crawled into must be very tough to climb out of.
Reading between the lines, Robin is actually saying Hoagland no longer considers his FB fans worth the trouble. He may be right.
I'm honest enough to say, sometimes I wonder if I take my criticism of "Hoagland the person" rather than "Hoagland the facts" too far... but this is just... PATHETIC to the extreme!!...
I've never been to New Mexico, but I can only imagine whilst "doctor" Robin is writing posts asking for money, Dick is sat with a bowl half full of change at the side of a highway, with a cardboard sign around his neck that says "will explain how you're too dumb to realize nasa has 195 lies... for money"
Or something like that!...
(But my jokes aside, my point is valid: is this REALLY how ground braking science is conducted these days??)
(and yet!!!.......... I bet there will be a few / or some / or many of his FB followers so desperate to be loved and acknowledge by Captain Enterprise for sharing his views, they will whip their credit card out so fast!!.....)
Anon,
The answer to your question is obviously no. But that's not what Robin's plea is really all about. Hoagland isn't doing any "research". He has no high energy physics lab in his basement or radio observatory in his back yard. What he does is what a lot of people do, surf the Web. That's not something that requires a research grant from either NASA or DOE.
What Robin is talking about is being able to keep the lights on without having to do any work. She wants his fans to let them lead a life of leisure, pretending to be important, without having to do any work. It's that simple.
I like your summary, Chris.
All in all, I think you're probably pretty much spot-on. I have strong views on Hoagie and his "shullbit" but when you're openly touting / asking / begging for money, that is a whole other step in my opinion - and not a cool one! Not at all!!...
We all have our bills to pay without calling on our "fan club" to pay them!
I'm not RCH's biggest fan and I've never pretended to have a huge amount of respect for him - but to have your wife/girlfriend/partner ask your fans for a few bucks to "keep the lights on"
as you put it, I find extremely more class-less and taste-less than any of the un-founded crap RCH has ever pumped out.
[Just my personal opinion of course: we're all entitled have our own web page -RCH included, sadly- I just don't think I've ever encountered a web page owner saying "pay me a lil money to give you my thoughts and throw you a bone"].
PATHETIC more than anything else I associate RCH with!
FYI, the thread has apparently been deleted. Apparently someone in Hoagie's household saw how counter-productive it was becoming. Maybe Hoagland or his faithful sidekick actually reads this blog. :)
Correction: The thread is back. FB strikes again.
Haha! The space nazis deleted the thread, but the good guys inside YU55 made it reappear!
Robin means well, but co-dependency helps no one, really. You can't blame her for making the public appeal for support, under her dire circumstances, though. After all, how would you like to have to work to support a bum; your paycheck going to cover his bar bill?
Thanks for the comment, "Misti." It's a bit too ad hominem for my taste, however.
I was just trying to give Robin fair benefit of the doubt, but I do agree with Chris, that she is at risk of blowing her good-cop, cover.
By the way, the thread is up, but my comments are blocked by somebody.
You've been kick/banned.
While there was a plea for money involved in what Robin was saying, I took her real meaning as "Look, since none of you are paying for this stuff, Richard doesn't owe you anything. So stop asking where he is. When he deems you free loaders worthy of his presence, he'll show up. Not before." Hoagland never saw those people as anything more than potential customers (suckers) for his products and a group of people he could use to get air time on C2C. He was never their "friend" and he wasn't really interested in what they had to say beyond "Richard, you are wonderful!" So Robin's reaction yesterday is almost understandable.
The only problem is that the reason Hoagland was offering so much of his material for free was that it wasn't really marketable. He wasn't doing his fans any favors, he was just trying to keep their interest. So yes, Hoagland does owe them for keeping him relevant in the pseudo-science world. Without their loyalty (as misplaced as it is), not even George Noory (nor Kerry Cassidy for that matter) would take his calls.
In that context, Robin's rant is an insult to those people still tuning in to hear the wit and wisdom of Richard C. Hoagland. If Hoagland really can't be bothered with them any more, he should say so and close down the FB page. Those people deserve to be set free so they can get on with their lives, not held hostage to whims of a guy who couldn't even make it as a hack sci fi writer.
I find Hoagland to be an excellent writer. If he were to voluntarily categorize it as fiction, but with a nod and a wink, he might deserve some respect. Questions raised about what he writes, could then be speculated upon without discrediting him. He might then be able to tackle tough questions without loss of face (on Mars).
Oh dear, I don't. I think his writing style is truly horrible -- all that overemphasis and self-reference.
I think Hoagland knows his celebrity is waning. He is trying to milk as much as he possibly can out of his grandiose theories before the piper comes calling.
There will be a price. I hope that price will be his "credibility" in a million pieces.
Having said that. Hoagland is a smart talker and has a devoted following of sheeple in "The Hyperdimensional Church of Nineteenpointfive." I'm guessing his income will be curtailed but not completely cut off.
Expat,
I'd have to agree. His fondness for pop sci fi references (The Enterprise Mission, City on the Edge of Forever....) also shows his lack of imagination. One of his main narratives (space Nazis) is right out of a kids book by Heinlein for Pete's sake. His tales are only interesting when they are told in the "it just might be true" format. That's why he's such a perfect guest for C2C.
If he had to come up with his own stuff (instead of letting the news direct his story line for him), the crap he'd generate would be as unreadable as his "papers". He'd make L. Ron Hubbard look like Shakespeare.
Binaryspellbook,
Yes Hoagland will always have followers. It does seem though, that there aren't enough of them these days to keep "The Captain" in the life style to which he has become accustomed. The work required to keep the fans (on FB anyway) happy does not appear to be generating enough benefit to make it worth Hoagland's effort. That is what Robin was really saying.
Don't overlook the possibility that Hoagy is the very paid agent of disinformation that he accuses his detractors of being. I think he's a spook. I doubt if Richard C Hoagland is even his real name.
He plays the clown in order to discredit the real secret stuff so that nobody will believe it. At the same time, he stirs everybody up into a frenzy, getting them to write the White House, demanding a mission to Mars. This to condition people to want to pay higher taxes bound to be misappropriated as usual. NASA gets a boondoggle, without having to be accused of making false claims, because Hoagland did it.
Even Hoagy is smart enough to realize that he contraDICKs himself.
http://www.healthfreedomrights.com/home.php#Gulf_Oil_Remedy
(Scroll halfway down that long unreadable page to see the article)
Robin Falkov is also an Antivax nut and a Homeopath. Her quack medicine ideas put people in real danger.
Oh, and her web design skills are up there with Hoagie's.
Plus, reading her blog, she must be pushing 60 but writes like a 14yo little girl.
Pathetic really. And dangerous. Between Hoagie asking a single dad to fork out money for his DVDs and her quackery, I have no sympathy for either of them.
Ok I looked at Falkov's page. Don't do that to me again. It was quite horrible. :-)
Yes, painful. The blame must at least partly fall on:
Starfield Technologies; WebSite Tonight v5.2.4
@Misti Parker
Don't overlook the possibility that Hoagy is the very paid agent of disinformation that he accuses his detractors of being. I think he's a spook. I doubt if Richard C Hoagland is even his real name.
I don't think so. If Hoagy was being paid by the Man/Feds/NASA/Borg/Romulans, they would be pouring money into his operation, his site would be updated daily, his competitors would be working with him, making daily contributions and he certainly wouldn't be begging for money. He and Mike would both be wearing Rolex and bagging starlets in Vegas.
Instead his site has been dead for over 2 years now. His following is so small as to be of no consequence (and most of them are unemployed which is why they are awake at 3am for C2C).
All the evidence points to him being upto his eyeballs in debt and he needs to raise the money before Joe Pesci makes a housecall.
I remember reading (I think on Bad Astronomy) that Hoagy had an L. Ron Hubbard moment back during the Apollo days. He realized there was no money in commentating on the real space program so instead he started making up loony toons about the Face on Mars.
Unfortunately, unlike L. Ron, he wasn't on the right pills.
Actually I think she is more dangerous than he is. He's just taking people's money, while her "advice" can get people killed. That's why I always cringe when Hoagland directs people to her for medical advice. She's no more qualified to discuss such things as Hoagland is to discuss astronomy and physics.
As to Hoagland being a paid dis-info agent, I agree with strahlungsamt on this one. He'd be a lot better set up if he were working for someone. Not only has the website not been updated in almost 2 years, its very design is a throw back (as Expat loves to point out) to the magic days of the mid 1990's. Any government operation would be able to at least afford some high school geek to update the site.
So no, Hoagland isn't intentionally discrediting the alternative research community (as Joseph Farrel calls it), it just works out that way. I think he's just a guy who has run out of ideas and out of energy. Since he's been playing this game for 4 decades, that's kind of understandable. He's trying desperately to hold on to what little "fame" he has, and that desperation is showing.
Homeopathy is a good scam - it's not going to do any damage. It is ineffective, and many times people get better anyways.
Biological_Unit,
Homeopathy is harmless unless it is used (as with Steve Jobs) in the place of real medicine. Then the stuff becomes quite lethal. Real doctors require a license to practice for a reason. Medical advice from a quack can kill.
If a person died of Homeopathy, we would never hear the end of it. If a person died under standard medicine, it would be called Tuesday.
People don't die of homeopathy, they die because someone convinced them that a placebo was a better idea than actual medicine. In the case of Jobs, his doctors wanted to operate on him immediately. Instead, he spent 9 months looking for "alternative" cures. In that 9 months, the cancer in him had spread from his pancreas to his liver. The belief in those other cures prevented Jobs from doing what really needed to be done. That gave the cancer time to spread. That is what killed him.
Jobs avoided painful treatment, and he won't be alive to experience the new reality of famine.
Jobs may have also avoided years more of life. He certainly tried his best after that 9 months to stay alive. He dove into traditional medicine with gusto. The reason he was able to get that liver transplant is because he had a private jet standing by that would get him to a liver wherever and whenever one became available. That 9 months was just a period of denial he was living under. Once he accepted that he was really sick, he went with medical science. Unfortunately, he was too late.
Curing liver cancer: maybe Robin has an app for that?
Did anyone else hear Dick on C2C last night?...
It was a blink-and-you-miss is appearance by this giant of 21st century science - but Captain Enterprise only needs a few moments to lay the seeds for what will be coming... or not... probably... possibly... maybe...
I heard it, yes, and just reviewed it on Z Fire Light. This is not the first time he's trotted out that 17x multiplier theory. It's off, I think, but the basic idea that public works leads to economic stimulation is very well-established. It's less certain that private space ventures would have anything like that beneficial effect (because the execs would run off with all the money, of course.)
My instinct is to be gung-ho for any daring space venture, but this is unrealistic as it stands. I see a benefit in getting space exploration "on the table" as an election issue. Let's hope the ultimate result is something achievable.
As for Leonid Ksanfomaliti's Venus life-forms, the story has no credibility. Read Emily Lakdawalla's blog on that. It's no surprise that Hoagland would consider it seriously. He's raving mad, as we know.
Interesting that he's now appearing on C2C and not posting his usual bulletin-that-must-stay-on-top-of-the-page-for-a-few-hours, while the admiration rolls in. I think Chris is right - he just doesn't consider the fans worthy of his notice any more.
Yeah the 17:1 ROI with "space ventures" didn't sound at all like he'd just pulled it out his ass - of course, I'm sure once we have Starbucks on the moon and a McDonalds on mars, they will be making 17x their money!...
I'm surprised Richard didn't try to claim that he was the original father of the concept that "more public working = more economic stimulation" - oh wait, that was his beloved barry that discovered that, and no politician would ever make promises and say the same old election-winning stuff just to get votes - and they'd never ever go back on their promises once in office..........
But the main point I wanted to make is that to me this seems like the "edging of bets" - Richard is quietly laying the "natural and logical progression" groundwork that *IF* Newt finds himself in the oval office and actually *DOES* do "something" space related it *MIGHT* lead to (or at least hint at, for Hoagie's disciples in the know) the disclosure of free-energy etc and raise humanity up out of the darkness to live amongst the stars, like Richard has said for so long - BUT!!!!...
It will **ONLY** be because the hyper-dimensional re-incarnated egyptian god before him laid the groundwork out in his administration (before falling nobly on his sword as a figure of public dislike: a public who "simply never understood what his REAL mission was").
I might be being a little sarcastic at this point, but this time next year, IF that is the situation transpires, I would not be surprised to hear Richard spouting such a line, rather than admit he was OUTRIGHT WRONG. (Assuming of course barry doesn't get another 4 years to prove Hoagie right).
Heard him on C2C too, though this AM, not last night. I consider myself as much a space cadet (Dr. David Livingston's term) as anyone else, but the time line Newt is talking about has nothing to do with reality. While I'm sure he believes in space exploration and settlement, I think his proposals have more to do with the political realities of the Florida primary than they do engineering realities of space flight. That Hoagland is backing him up is hardly surprising.
What amazed me (and really shouldn't have in retrospect)about his support of Ksanfomaliti was the complete lack of evidence. His defense consisted solely of an argument from authority. This from a guy who regularly scoffs at so called scientific authority.
Does Hoagland ever actually listen to himself when he spouts this nonsense?
Oh - and I almost forgot to say - it was great to hear the ever-probing Noory ask Dick some real testing questions, like... "any reasons you've not been doing much facebooking lately?" - Nah! Let's skip that and get straight down the good stuff about sand scorpions and more Leonid-named scientists...
Let me get this straight, Dick is dumping HDO'bama for Newt?
No no no Misti - those evil Republicans have stopped poor, loving, caring barry from saving humanity at every turn, HOWEVER!! Luckily he is a very smart re-incarnated god, and, just in case he does not get re-elected, he (and he alone!) has managed to build the groundwork for President Newt to simply carry on his legacy and take us all to a new paradise amongst the stars, with free-engery and jobs for everyone!!... (even if barry does not get to be the one behind the big desk when his masterplan finally comes to fruition)
...and when Newt turns out to be a Reptilian?...
Then, er, Planet Reptile rotates at 19.5 degree angle and/or at 19,500 mph, and used to be part of Sirus or Orion or something NASA/barry related - in which case, RCH was right all along...........
(or not. He doesn't make predictions, remember).
But on a serious note: either we'll have 4 more years of barry (because "it's in the physics", its what the HD universe wants), or we'll have Newt who "promises" to continue barry's plans for space advancement (well, Kennedy's plans according to RCH), or we'll have Romney who wont focus on all sorts of space projects because he works for TPTB who dont want anyone to know what is out there...
Either way, whoever gets the nod for the big job, RCH will have a story and angle all ready lined up ready to roll out to his disciples, "proving" his theories one way or another, space advancement or not.
Misti,
Newts are amphibians not reptiles. :)
Ann,
You have just made a preDICKtion, of the sort that Hoagy says is science. It will be interesting to see how you could possibly be wrong
Topher,
Newt's handlers named him so as to throw us off track.
This Just In. Al Jazeera article about Phobos Grunt, HAARP, conspiracy theories and the Russian space program.
Read it before Hoagland finds out.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/2012122133916672690.html
That just goes to a home page. Try this: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/2012122133916672690.html
Strange. The end of the URL is cut off. After 2012/ add the following: 01/2012122133916672690.html
http://jrnyquist.com/The_Mafia_That_Rules_Russia.html
Actually Misti, I've been studying the hidden code in all the political goings-on of late and matching it up with the hyper dimensional resonance vibrating back and from between Elenin and YU55 (the real ones, not the fake ones the world was looking at), and I *KNOW* 10000% who is going to be president in 2013...
...and if you'd like to know who it will be, then you should really donate some money to me, for my ideas -sorry, FACTS- because, after all, no one works and dedicates their life for free, right??
Well, we all have our little hobbies.
Everybody tries to marginalize Ron Paul, saying that "he can't win," but the Neocons like Newt and Romney can't capture the conservatives of the Tea Party, which was founded in objection to Dubya's socialist agenda, nor the Independents who are fed up with both Democratic and Republican Parties.
I'm not saying that Ron Paul is going to win, but neither O'bama nor the Neocons can win without the true conservatives and the Independents on board.
The President in 2013 will be.......... whomever best serves the needs of the most powerful banking elite, most powerful business elite and most powerful levels with the Military Industrial Complex. Period.
"Different" parties, "different" political opinions: same continuation of agendas, from the same group of corrupt liars and cheats, from the same pool of power-obsessed egotists, within the same rigged system, all being dangled on strings by the same masters who have been controlling elections, selecting presidents, and dictating policy for many decades, if not longer.
Everything else is just theater for the masses to gobble up: to buy the bumper stickers and t-shirts, to cheer at the pantomime villains they like and boo the one's they don't, to argue with your neighbor that blue is better than red or red is better than blue - after all, doing exactly that is your "civil obligation" to "make a difference"... like sheep picking the wolf they like the sound of best.
Oh, come on now. What are they gonn'a do, stuff the ballot box?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/is-this-how-foreign-company-infiltrated-d-c-elections/
A U.S. elections officer who served in voting districts that partnered with a controversial online voting firm recently retired from his government position to work for the firm in question, the foreign-headquartered company SCYTL.
Control over the information, control over the perception, control of the demographics, control of the voting patterns, control over who gets to vote, control over the vote counting computer system - and that is before we get to the same corrupt power-mad egotists and the masters they serve... (And the average Joe STILL thinks he is in control of 'mericas future by putting a "cross in a box on a piece of paper" as it were)
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