Saturday, November 3, 2012

"There's a sneaker on Mars" --Richard C. Hoagland, last night on Coast to Coast AM

        ...and not just any sneaker, but a Nike sneaker. Hoagland said he's putting together a video presentation of the many "unmistakably artificial" objects captured by the cameras of Curiosity since the triumphant landing on 6th August. Apparently he showed some of these to a paying audience at the recent Conscious Life Expo in Los Angeles, and was rewarded by "an audible gasp" when the sneaker had its Powerpoint moment of fame. We'll have to wait for his video to see what he means (and by the way, he said it will be free—that produced an audible gasp from me), but I suspect it'll just be this smooth rock imaged by the navigation camera quite early in the mission.

credit: NASA/JPL

Update: No, it's this rock — enhanced by an added black border, I see:

credit: Richard Hoagland's Photoshop operator

        You have to wonder about the mental age of his audience, who apparently didn't stop to think a) How Hoagland knew it was a Nike, or b) WTF a sneaker of any kind would be doing on Mars, where they don't play basketball or even tennis.

        However, the primary sujet du jour was not sports footwear, but methane.

Methane on Mars
        "The bottom line is that we have no detection of methane so far," said Chris Webster at a JPL press conference yesterday. Webster is the man on the Tunable Laser Spectrometer, which could have detected methane at a concentration as low as 10 parts per billion, if it had been present. Richard Hoagland was hustled (or maybe hustled himself) onto the radio show to comment.

        Hoagland, actually, did not get it all wrong. He reminded us that methane in the Martian atmosphere appears to be a seasonal phenom, and Curiosity is in winter conditions right now. He said "this is a first look, just one data point." All that is true. He reminded us that micro-biological activity is not the only possible explanation for the emanations, and that the true test will come if and when the JPL boffins can detect which carbon isotope Martian methane favors (C12 would be a strong indicator for biology rather than volcanism.) True again1. Well done.

        If only he'd stopped there, we could all have gone back to sleep a little wiser. But no, he had to spoil it in the second hour by proposing a third possible methane theory—namely, that the gas was periodically oozing out of the long-buried rotting remains of the Great Martian Civilization that built the Face at Owen Mesa before being obliterated by a planet-busting impact 65 million years ago. That, of course, has no chance whatever of being the correct explanation because if there were such a civilization, there would be plentiful other remnants of it to examine. And I don't mean Nike sneakers.

More artifacts
        Lack of evidence, of course, has never deterred Hoagland in the slightest. If he needs some, he invents it. Not just the so-called Face, but a Sherman tank, a crashed spaceship in the side of a crater, bits and pieces of machinery. These he has pointed to in images from previous rovers. Now, with Curiosity offering superb image quality, he finds the sneaker, a 100ft metal plate, and a printed circuit board ("looking like it was exposed to a nuclear flash," he said, as if he knew perfectly well what that would look like).

        The man's mind simply doesn't work like yours and mine. He says that NASA statements at press conferences are coded—"You have to know how to read between the lines"2 (in other words, the statements can mean whatever he wishes they meant.) Last night's runaway prize-winner for zaniness was "We're dealing here with two separate missions, one all about the usual geology and the other about the technology of the ancient civilization" (not a verbatim quote but close). The image of a duplicate "mission control" full of Hoagland clones gasping as the next Nike sneaker comes into view had me guffawing into my pillow.

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1] http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/2765/making-sense-of-mars-methane
2] He didn't say that last night. He said it about a JPL press conference  on Vesta, which I blogged about at the time.

112 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear Richard C. (u next tuesday) Hoagland: please, for the love of god, shut up. The sound of you loving the sound of your own voice on an "international ground-breaking science" radio show is just so pathetic. I know you love the ego-massaging from the brain dead callers C2C allows on air, and I know Noory is your biggest fluffer-fanboy, but please, just stop talking sh!t. You are not the eminent world expert on everything, that you think you are.

Wait, what am I saying?! I mean, -thank you!!- for taking it upon yourself to "get involved" with the lying NASA - as you said, you have decided to promote yourself to the position of representative for the entire C2C audience as the "press core doesn't have the wit of out of the box thinking" to ask the key questions and force the *real* issues - ONLY Captain Enterprise is capable of such a thing and going toe-to-toe with these clueless NASA jokers. I expect stunning confirmation of martian pyramids and alien life by the end of the week, now that Richard C. Heavyweight is getting involved.

Congrats on your being able to take a lovely December cruise with your science sidekick - after all those hours you put in as a Walmart greeter, and all those years of pioneering science, you deserve the break. I'm so glad torsion waves don't disappear in winter like methane does on Mars otherwise that trip might not be as ground-breaking as we know it will be. Which of course reminds me of my favorite quote from your show: "I have no idea what we're gonna see, George, but basically it's gonna be extraordinary" - spoken like a TRUE scientist if ever I heard one!! (And yes, I did have to listen to it a few times to make sure I heard it right, word for word).

PS. I look forward to seeing this photo of a "fossilized nike shoe" and computer circuitry that you said you had - I know from your vast qualifications and expertise in photography, there will be no doubt you are correct (I cite the elenin forcefield overlay and the robot head on the moon as evidence of my absolute certainty of the unquestionable credibility of your photos).

Go team Hoagie!

Chris Lopes said...

Sounds like the usual Hoagland nonsense. Now he's down to anomaly hunting in the land of Pareidolia, with a few side trips into the kind of pulp sci fi cosmology that would make L. Ron Hubbard sue for copy right infringement. Rather sad really. Anyway, that's another 2 hours sleep you saved me Expat, so thanks.

jourget said...

Indeed. Speaking of reading between the lines, no mention of the confidently-predicted October surprise. Among RCH's most favored non-tactics are either not mentioning his failed predictions at all, or waiting until he has a chance to futz around with RedShift until it shows he was right after all.

It doesn't seem as though he's still excited about the reverse speech stuff he was on about back in the late '90s. Back then, he didn't have to read between the lines of officials' words, because reverse speech allowed him to hear it firsthand.

Strahlungsamt said...

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/12/01/pining-for-mars/

The Log on Mars.

Presented without further comment.

Misti Parker said...

Leave us all remember, that it was Richard C Hougland who convinced the Heaven's Gate Cult, that object Hale-Bopp had a companion vehicle, controlled by intelligent beings.

The result was, that 39 nerds in "Nikes", castrated themselves, then overdosed on reds washed down with vodka.

Misti Parker said...

Amid all the highly controversial events surrounding Hale-Bopp's initial March apparition (closest approach to Earth), none caused so much furor as the contention, by some, that riding along with the comet was some kind of companion, or--

A "starship."

The "Heaven's gate" tragedy -- with its intimately connected and discredited "UFO associations" -- was ultimately the overriding factor in dismissing all such allegations out of hand. This was in addition to the simple fact that these initial observational claims of "unnatural objects ... moving in orbit with the comet," were eventually found to be based on a) merely mistaken amateur observations of background stars, seen briefly in optical proximity to Hale-Bopp, and b) publication of deliberate photographic hoaxes.

Significantly, no ultra-high-resolution images of Hale-Bopp when it was closest to the Earth (in March), were ever "officially" secured by Hubble; the closest NASA ST (Space Telescope) images were supposedly obtained over 6 months before -- when the comet was still ~ .5 billion miles from Earth. Thus, in the intervening 6 months the potential for Hubble being used "in secret" -- and seeing something "totally anomalous" regarding Hale-Bopp, thereby being the cause of Savage and Villard's otherwise completely inexplicable sub-conscious utterances -- cannot be totally discounted.

Our own Hale-Bopp analysis, in stark contrast, has been based in part on an analysis of the basic orbital parameters of Hale-Bopp itself -- and the discovery of a set of striking "pattern matches" with previous NASA "hidden capabilities," and celestial mechanics--

All of which seem intended to highlight, over and over again, the ritual observance of the ancient Egyptian constellation of Osiris ("Orion") and mythologically associated companion constellations and their brightest stars ... such as Sirius ("Isis").

http://www.enterprisemission.com/predict2.html

Misti Parker said...

From:
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx433.htm

I do remember Richard Hoagland on Art Bell saying that because NASA was refusing to use the Hubble telescope to view Hale Bopp while it was at its closest point to earth, that it could indicate that Hale Bopp was artificial, perhaps a vehicle being driven by astronauts, something placed by NASA in the sky to cover up that there was no real comet, why else the refusal to focus the Hubble on it, and their argument that it would reflect too much light he also countered by saying they had imaged other bright objects with no problem, so why the refusal of this once in a lifetime opportunity to view "the most spectacular comet ever" with our best telescope, the Hubble. I looked on enterprisemission for an article related to that Art Bell show and didn't find the artificial theory in writing, but I well remember that show, which related to this article http://www.enterprisemission.com/nasabell.html. Also see other 4/97 links at http://www.enterprisemission.com/bridge.html


Misti Parker said...

http://www.heavensgate.com/misc/link.htm

Interesting Links
(Other web sites that we feel address related or connecting topics)


Chuck Shramek's Hale-Bopp Companion Page Hale-Bopp Companion

The Art Bell Web Page #1 Late Night Talk Radio Program
http://www.artbell.com/

NASA Images from NASA

Whitley Strieber UFO News!

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, heavensgate, where a bunch of Hoagland-esq shills, propelled to national celebrity status inadvertently trigger a mass suicide.

Fools like Hoagy are tangibly dangerous to the more gullible and disassociated aspects of our society.

Simply put, the lies of characters like Hoagland and Bara can have serious implications for those ignorant or weak minded fools who listen and believe wholeheartedly and uncritically.

Biological_Unit said...

Heaven's Gate was creepy! Those guys were rich and talented Engineer types. I'm thoroughly confused.

Tara Jordan said...

Richard C Hoagland,Ed Dames and Dr Courtney Brown from Emory University, all share responsibility for the Heaven's Gate tragedy. Marshall Applewhite was already on a dangerous path, but the publicity surrounding (courtesy of Art Bell promotion) the "Hale-Bopp Companion" story was extremely influential on his feeble mind.These despicable characters are "accessory to mass murder" & should be brought before a court of justice

Tara Jordan said...

There is something such as Irony:
Mike Bara "... And when has Ed Dames ever been right about anything?.." October 25 at 2:56am

Biological_Unit said...

no ultra-high-resolution images of Hale-Bopp when it was closest to the Earth

It was a fuzzy object. Think for one second.

Strahlungsamt said...

I'm so sick of hearing woo peddlers spinning the word "CONTROVERSIAL".

Whenever I hear that word, I substitute the word "BULLSHIT" and stop reading.

Anonymous said...

It seems you were wrong, Expat. HERE is the real Nike shoe on Mars... http://i47.tinypic.com/30argvm.jpg

[insert dramatic musical sound effect here]

I can speak with some authority on this as I happen to be fully qualified in the field of rockology and I can say with absolute certainty from my first hand experience of seeing every single rock in the entire universe, that this is 100% a Nike shoe. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever this could be a natural rock - rocks simply cannot take on that shape.

In fact, if you look real close, just behind it, you can see the fossilized remains of the 65 million year old NBA star who was promoting said footwear just before Mars was hit by the death star and invaded by storm troopers.

Strahlungsamt said...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=55054.0#.UJbL_EISSCI

All right guys. You can give it up and go home now. All NASA's Mars missions are fakes.

The Flat Earth Society says so.

(They also share Hoagland's misconceptions about false color photography but who cares about that?)

Misti Parker said...

Richard C Hoagland is un-remorseful about his complicity in the Heaven's Gate tragedy, but perhaps he is in denial about it. Therefore, it follows, that if a Nike can be found on Mars, then perhaps the deceased really did beam up to the Hale-Bopp Companion, and were then dropped off on Mars, where one of them lost a shoe.

Hypothetically, this could be possible, considering how angels can materialize, fully clothed, and be able to blend in with any society that they might chose to visit.

Has Hoagland ever admitted to being wrong about anything?

How many more people have to die, because of Hoagland's musings?

Misti Parker said...

Bioillogical Eunuch, for once you present a very interesting question. Why aren't there any clear images of Hale-Bopp? How could there possibly NOT be any? NASA and clients of most observatories must certainly have some excellent, clear, high resolution, close ups of Hale-Bopp.

Biological_Unit said...

It's a fuzzy ball of light. You would need to get very close to get a "clear" image.

Misti Parker said...

"INVISIBLE COMPANIONS"

All scientific models, to be deemed "scientific," must be testable; in other words, they must contain specific predictions against which later observations ultimately can be compared. Van Flandern's developing model of "a planet that one day decided to blow up" turned out to contain ample observational predictions (apart from the resulting solar system orbits of the "pieces"); the most striking prediction was that both comets and asteroids, if they originated as fragments of a formerly "exploding" planet, should have company... they should be intimately associated with a cloud of orbiting companion fragments -- all circling around each other, as the center of gravity of each resulting "fragment cloud" also orbits the center of the solar system.

Because both asteroids and comets are literally only miles across (as opposed to planets, which measure thousands of times larger), directly seeing these tiny orbiting companions from the Earth has proven all-but-impossible. Historical "occultation" observations of asteroids, as they pass across chance background stars, has only given tantalizing hints of the existence of such invisible companions ("asteroid satellites," as they've been termed), causing some stars to blink on an off rapidly during rare encounters; are these tiny satellites, briefly obscuring background starlight in "satellite eclipses," as the fragments pass across the star? No one's really sure. What's occurring deep inside a comet -- pictured in Van Flandern's model also as a similar host of "whirling fragments" circling each other (above), but this time generating clouds of evaporated water and other gasses as they are heated by strong sunlight, that ultimately expands as visible cometary "tails" typically measuring millions of times longer -- is even more impossible to accurately determine with existing observations... at least so far, from Earth.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/comets.html

Biological_Unit said...

Why aren't there any clear images of Hale-Bopp?

THERE ARE CLEAR IMAGES OF THIS FUZZY OBJECT - A COMET - WHICH IS FUZZY BECAUSE IT'S A COMET

Misti Parker said...

Thus, in lieu of this hoped-for "one-on-one debate" with Dr. Weiler, Dr. Van Flandern and I have decided to annotate NASA's original "Art Bell fax" (below) -- to provide documented evidence, across the World Wide Web, of the major mis-statements it contains. After posting, it will be up to Art's listeners and other concerned American citizens to act ...

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasabell1.gif

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/nasabell2.gif


The Response

NASA: "...your guest said that Hubble has not been used to observe Hale-Bopp, or perhaps it had, but we were 'hiding' the images..."

Hoagland: In fact, initially, we stated precisely the opposite: that Hubble (according to official NASA press releases) had last been used to observe Hale-Bopp on October 17, 1996... over 7 months before its closest (thus, highest value) passage to the sun and Earth, on April 1, 1997. NASA's release of March 27, 1997 (see below) affirms this fact.


http://www.enterprisemission.com/nasabell.html

Biological_Unit said...

evaporated water and other gasses as they are heated by strong sunlight

This is what Expat and the NASA types believe, which is WRONG! Comets discharge ELECTRICALLY!

Tara Jordan said...

@Expat
I am quite bored & out of nasty epithets for Richard C Bugland & his lapdog crony Mike Bara.Can we change the subject for a while?. I have a great story about taking this so called young "spiritist" to Aokigahara. Of course I personally did not experienced anything even remotely paranormal (we found human bones but considering the place,that comes with the territory...), although the "spiritualist suffered a major breakdown ;)

Misti Parker said...

Perhaps NASA knows full well what you say is true, BU?

Misti Parker said...

Tara, what's the name of this blog?

Tara Jordan said...

Come on Misti,show some biological solidarity ;) I was trying to show off.I actually spent an afternoon & a night into the world" most haunted forest",Real life Blair Witch Project experience :)

Biological_Unit said...

Perhaps NASA knows full well what you say is true, BU?

It's not popular, but there is more acceptance of Electricity in Space amongst Space Scientists.

Misti Parker said...

Okay Tara, post a link. Pattacakes won't nuke it.

Misti Parker said...

Hoagland is right about NASA lying about images of Hale-Bopp, but that doesn't make him right about the Heaven's Gate Cult surviving their suicidal mission.

Chris Lopes said...

As I recall, it's Hoagland's theory that Applewhite was actually CIA, and the cult thing was an operation designed to discredit other (as in his) "comet as spaceship" theories. Yep, the CIA caused the deaths of dozens of young men and women just to make our little Ricky look bad. He's just that damn important.

Misti Parker said...

Hoagland did say on his facebutt page that Applewhite MIGHT have been CIA, but I didn't see where Dick wrote about the implications of that.

Topher, citation?

Misti Parker said...

The media covering this story presented most of the initial facts incorrectly, as usual. Heaven's Gate started back in the 1970s, and I highly recommend that people who are interested in its early history read Jacques Vallee's Messengers of Deception, who documented the techniques of the flying saucer 'missionaries' "Bo" and "Peep" back in 1975, when they were calling their group "Human Individual Metamorphosis." (Besides HG, there have been many UFO-based religions, including the Raelians and "UMMO.") The basic fact is that most of the members of HIM/Heaven's Gate were middle-aged, of both genders, and recruited from college campuses back in the 60s and 70s. Even back in 1975, Applewhite's doctrines emphasized the transience of the human form, and the abnegation of physicality.

Reading "MoD" may be a good thing for another reason, because Vallee makes two critical points that are as important today as they were back then. One is that many of the "flying saucer cults" may be the product of intelligence agencies wishing to test psychological warfare techniques. Many people have compared HG to Jonestown, which has also been suspected of being a CIA 'project.' However, Jonestown remains a different creature for one important reason: there were many cult members who were killed quite involuntarily by machine guns when they refused the poisoned kool-aid, whereas it appears that all HG members consented to their cocktail of barbiturates and vodka in order to shed their "containers" for the coming spacecraft. But HG, like Jonestown, might have been a 'test' to see how long a cult could be kept 'underground' before being 'activated' -- or, more properly, 'deactivated.'

Another is that the existence of groups with irrational beliefs about UFOs is a good reason to intensify rational inquiry of the phenomenon, rather than curtail it. Suppression and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon leaves it in the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical; worse, in the hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system for manipulating and controlling people's actions. Hillary Clinton committed typical fallacious reasoning by lumping together HG with interest in UFOs, because groups who believe dogmatically in extraterrestrial salvation are not the same thing as groups who are interested in rational inquiry of an unknown phenomenon.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100421121328/http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/heavensgate.html

Misti Parker said...

James Oberg is a perfect example of the sort of someone who engages in:

"Suppression and ridicule of scientific inquiry of the UFO phenomenon leaves it in the hands of the irrational, unscientific, and fanatical; worse, in the hands of people who may want to use it as a belief system for manipulating and controlling people's actions."

Misti Parker said...

Hoagland is right in criticizing NASA, but then he goes way overboard, by proclaiming Nikes on Mars. The you guys ridicule Hoagland and everybody forgets about the crap that NASA pulls.

Biological_Unit said...

NASA is NOT the Evilest Most Corrupt organization!
Goldman Sachs is far worse! Their crimes are boring, however.

Misti Parker said...

Same owners.

Misti Parker said...

I really wish you'd quit jamming Hoagland's page for a minute, so I can glance at the damned thing.

Biological_Unit said...

I think you meant to make that statement to the Voices in your Head, and not here!

Misti Parker said...

I'm directing them to you,
Bioillogical Eunuch John Cooper.

Misti Parker said...

Too bad you can't hack google like you do facebutt, Preston.

Biological_Unit said...

That makes me confused! Another mindless accusation of a Tea-Tard that will be ignored by the Universe.

Biological_Unit said...

Preston B. Nichols is the main author of a series of books revolving around "The Montauk Project" conspiracy. He also can hax Google!

Misti Parker said...

Well I am only seem to pick up a bogey from Hoagy.

Tara Jordan said...

The Japanese have an expression for someone who looks like Hoagland,"カビくさい" (Kabi Kusai) someone who smells moldy.(quelqu`un qui pue le moisi in French).
We are in 2012 & the old goat is sporting a mullet. Hoagland is without any doubt the worst dressed man on planet Kook. On a more serious note, I was watching old clips of Hoagland`s conferences, his seems to be suffering from Catatonia: "abnormal condition variously characterized by stupor, stereotypy, mania, and either rigidity or extreme flexibility of the limbs. It is most often associated with schizophrenia".

Misti Parker said...

I don't believe that Ronald Reagan really had Alzheimer's, either. Iran-Contra was CIA, too. Tara, you are covering for Hoagland as Hoagland covers for NASA who covers for the DoD.

Tara Jordan said...

Precious Misti. Please don`t hurt my feeling.I am not covering for anyone,I am an equal opportunity offender

Trained Observer said...

Why would you say Hoagland covers for NASA? I don't think Hoagland can cover his own ... well, you get the drift. Hoagland's audience is so incredibly small "in the real world" (as opposed to the surreal world of the UFO subculture) that I cannot take him seriously in any role other than a delusional opportunist peddling his pseudo-science to the fantasy prone. Is there any evidence other than Hoagland's own assertions, that anyone at NASA takes the guy seriously in any way whatsoever? Look at the people speaking at the event where he made his recent "revelations." Hoagland is so far removed from the real science at NASA that he might as well wear a clown suit and show cartoons during his "presentations." I can't see any connection between NASA and Hoagland other than the one in Hoagland's wishful thinking. I am missing something?

expat said...

No, you're dead right. Vanishingly few people at JPL have even heard of him these days, I'll bet.

I believe he said, the other night, that he was going to start attending JPL press confs representing C2C. George said "Oh yes, you KNOW SO MUCH MORE than the regular correspondents."

Clown suit time.

Tara Jordan said...

Hoagland has 35,000 fans on Facebook but when he tries to raise money for one of his scatological projects,he has extreme difficulty at getting 2000 bucks. Hoagland & Bara only appeal to the bottom of the barrel of the New Age mental midgets & conspiracy Tweakers. Bara was a total "has been" from day one,2 years from now, he`ll be flipping burgers at mcdonald's

Misti Parker said...

Hoagland promoted NASASS' nuclear powered Project Prometheus for an entire show on Coast to Coast AM.

Years later, when NASA scheduled a the delay of a press conference to fraudulently announce the existence of a silicone based life form as evidence for extra terrestrial life, eclipsing the news of the reentry of the mysteriously vanished, X-37B, Hoagland goes on Coast to Coast AM to support NASASS' findings, makes no mention of the X-37B, then deletes all questions about the X-37B and Project Prometheus from his facebutt page, without comment.


Misti Parker said...

For all you really know, Hoagland collected hundreds of thousands of dollars for his birthday. Why would he want to become a target of car salesmen by saying 'thanks a million'?

expat said...

>>...when NASA scheduled a the delay of a press conference to fraudulently announce the existence of a silicone based life form...<<

Rubbish.

Trained Observer said...

I think Hoagland's only real connection to NASA is in using them as grist for his mill. He is an opportunist and NASA his hapless "victim." People who really want to know what is going on with the space program aren't listening to Coast to Coast for breaking news so any alleged efforts by NASA to divert attention (from whatever) through the antics of Hoagland would be pretty ineffective in my view. Hoagland and Bara are part of the carnival side-show that is modern pop-culture Ufology. Looking for any truth whatsoever in their yammering is like looking for wisdom on a bubblegum wrapper.

Tara Jordan said...

"Hoagland collected hundreds of thousands of dollars for his birthday..."
@Misti.What is your source for this information?. Take a look at Hoagland, he is dressed like a bumb,he has been wearing the same funky ass brown moccasins for the last 10 years.

Tara Jordan said...

@Trained Observer,For a UFO guy, you`re extremely rational & critical. Trained Observer, indeed.....

Misti Parker said...

Has anybody here hacked Hoagland's Pay Pal account?

I'm still waiting for NASA to retract it's claim for the likelihood of alien life, based upon the phony bacteria scooped up in that polluted desert lake in California, and I'm still waiting for the Airforce to tell us where the X-37B has been.

Rubbish my ass.

Misti Parker said...

Never a Straight Answer lives up to it's name. Tampering with Curiosity imagery.
posted 6 weeks 2 days ago

Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/whitleys-space/never-straight-answer-lives-its-name-outrageous-evidence-tampering-curiosity-imagery#ixzz2BNzI5ht6

This is so disappointing. I wish that it wasn't so convincing. Whatever they are hiding on Mars we will never know. Click here to see why.

youtube.com/watch?v=FhWCC1xPRF4

NASA JPL Mars | Copy & Pasted Images at Gale Crater | Curiosity Landing Site



Published on Sep 19, 2012 by SunsFlare

IMPORTANT UPDATE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKQLrSdeS9c

I have come across obvious image manipulation for the image composite of Gale crater. I want to be clear that I am not attacking NASA, but addressing what I found disappointing in the Gale crater composite. I am and always have been a big fan of NASA. If I worked for NASA on oversight, I would be equally upset to find the flaws in the image. When NASA puts their finished homework out there for the public to grade I expect better. I realize that this image is probably the result of a small handful of people at NASA and this should not reflect on NASA as a whole. The point of the video is that when you see even one area that is not accurate, it opens up the entire image for question. I am not saying that the entire image is fabricated, but only the areas that I clearly pointed out one by one in the video. I was even comparing this image to other images to spot differences over time which was pointless once I found out that it was not accurate. When it is called "EXPLORE" Gale crater, that is what I intended the image to represent. Thank you!

Direct Image Link - http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/explore/galecrater/

Please take a look at the great work by fellow YouTubers with like minded pursuits revealing even more copy and paste manipulation from the NASA image in response to my video. Thank You!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqkz3Jiq4U4

by James Mulholland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHaMsIN5RT4 by domovojable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hJP1_5NNQ0 by BoostinR31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZmEL9APIvA by BoostinR31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKo2-Bf1h6A by BOUCANSTUDIO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV4EOv_sx7w by BoostinR31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ2pdRg29uI by steph1971

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2klegMk7hU by BOUCANSTUDIO

News Sources:

http://www.examiner.com/article/suspicious-observer-challenges-government-sec... -- Examiner.com

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2015&category=Science - Earthfiles Reported by Linda Moulton Howe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHrmwSIAMts "2MIN News Sept 28, 2012: NASA Fakes Mars Photos!" Suspicious0bservers
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expat said...

>>Bara was a total "has been" from day one,2 years from now, he`ll be flipping burgers at mcdonald's <<

I'd like to think you're right, Tara, but this is to ignore the sad fact that, judged strictly as a performer, he's very effective on TV. He looks relaxed and pleasant, he can look right into the camera when required, and he sounds fluent. He's been hinting to his FooBoo buddies for months that 2013 will see him on TV even more. Frankly, I believe it -- producers of Woo-Woo, whether on radio or television, don't give a rat's ass about facts.

Strahlungsamt said...

Is that the Whitley Streiber who got abducted by aliens, wrote a book which became an unwatchable movie (Communion) and turned a huge profit in the process?

Sorry, I forgot. It's on youtube. It must be true.

Misti Parker said...

Not only has NASA yet to retract this horseshit, they still claim that it's true.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/astrobiology_toxic_chemical.html

NASA-funded astrobiology research has changed the fundamental knowledge about what comprises all known life on Earth.

Researchers conducting tests in the harsh environment of Mono Lake in California have discovered the first known microorganism on Earth able to thrive and reproduce using the toxic chemical arsenic. The microorganism substitutes arsenic for phosphorus in its cell components.


http://www.livescience.com/18252-refuting-arsenic-based-life-claim.html

Arsenic-Based Life Claim Gets Another Blow
Stephanie Pappas, LiveScience Senior Writer
Date: 01 February 2012


Chris Lopes said...

Hoagland collected enough from the National Lampoon's Egyptian Vacation Fund to pay off (for a time) his web hosting service bill, and maybe buy a nice dinner or two at his favorite restaurant. It wasn't even enough to get him to Florida, let alone Egypt.

Misti Parker said...

How much exactly did he rake in, Topher, and how do you know? Maybe you are just trying to get him off the hook?

Misti Parker said...

All this talk about Hoagland, is of course, the subject of this blog, but what makes his shenanigans more important than NASASS' or the DoD's? Seems to me that Hoagland is small potatoes by comparison.

Strahlungsamt said...

Misti,

I know I've said this before but if Hoagie was any kind of an agent, he would have no cashflow problems, a qualified ghost writer and a better spiel than Egyptian gods in NASA. He would be a frequent guest on Rush Limbaugh instead of George Noory, drive a Ferrari, be backing Romney along with Mike, and have more underage strippers than Gary Glitter could dream of (plus diplomatic immunity should he be caught).
Instead, he is a sad, lonely, desperate man who backed the wrong horse and has to settle for a bunch of aging new-age hippies instead of Vegas strippers.

Tara Jordan said...

@Expat,I think I own you an apology. Although I always appreciated your dedication & relentless effort to debunk "la paire d`imbeciles" Hoagland-Bara, I considered you sometime went too far and too personal with your attacks.When I first contacted Mike Bara on Facebook, I tried to keep a respectful & non emotional approach,I did my best at deconstructing his ridiculous Ziggurat claim,from my own academic perspective, but eventually Bara became extremely irritated & frustrated with my persistence and arrogance, & soon resorted to personal attacks,ridiculous Innuendo & childish name calling ( accusing me of being an Expat sock puppet & a NASA shill).I cannot really blame him, the imbecile is obviously surrounded by individuals who have the collective wisdom of a bag of doorknobs,but I find utterly pathetic the idea that,confronted by a 23 yr old, a 50 yr old man could react with such emotional instability.

Misti Parker said...

Who says Hoagland has cash flow problems? What make car does Hoagland drive? Robin isn't half bad for her age, and she's considerably younger than Dick. As far as presidents go, he was for Bush when Bush was in office. I never said that Hoagland wasn't a horses ass. I say that he's a spook, acting as a lightning rod for NASA.

Misti Parker said...

NASA clumsily alters images from Curiosity on Mars, so that people will notice; but why? What is the effect of that? Who's to say that Hoagland hasn't actually spotted a Nike on Mars? NASA might very well have Photoshopped that in. NASA deliberately muddies the water, so that there is no way to conclusively know whether or not they are hiding something that is on Mars, or hiding the fact that there is nothing of interest on Mars.

So then, why is NASA really on Mars, and why do the tax payers tolerate such nonsense?





expat said...

>>Who's to say that Hoagland hasn't actually spotted a Nike on Mars?<<

I am. It's inherently ridiculous.

Misti Parker said...

It that image you posted from NASA or did somebody else alter it?

Misti Parker said...

http://tineye.com/search/a1a62455239ef26e864455c37d6e03f617c446d3/

PNG, 637x387, 141.9 KB
0 Results

Searched over 2.2049 billion images.

for file: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GsGsfbHCDMs/UJWBOK4FRnI/AAAAAAA...

These results expire in 72 hours. Why?
TinEye is free to use for non-commercial purposes.

Misti Parker said...

I suppose we really don't know if this is the image that Hoagland makes reference to, or not:
@ 0:42

Misti Parker said...

Nikola Nevenov
Hello mr.Hoagland
You mentioned about a video on coast to coast this friday.About things on Mars like...a shoe.Would you post some info on when and where one can view this video you intend to show everyone?
Like · · Saturday at 6:09am

Mike LeBrasseur
rock shoe-To Make It Really Old.Says Made In China On The Inside.
Saturday at 8:27am · Like


Barney Holmes
He mentioned that, when ready, it would be available for download from the Enterprise Mission website.
Saturday at 12:13pm · Like

Chris Lopes said...

My guess as to Hoagland's finances is based on what he actually ended up doing. He didn't go to Egypt, and he didn't even manage to get to Florida. Hell, he couldn't even keep positive control over his own website for more than a few weeks. That doesn't sound like very successful fund raisin to me.

Misti Parker said...

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

Misti Parker said...

I've just been reading up on the Vril, Thule and the Aldebaran from the link on Hoagland's facebutt page.

It mentions about how Admiral Byrd conducted Operation High Jump, in 1947 at Antarctica where the Space NAZIS supposedly set up a Utopia, and how Byrd became chicken.

I am reminded of an email exchange with Richard C Hoagland, where he discounted the so-called, "Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd" which alludes to his discovery in 1926. of an entrance at the North Pole to the Hollow Earth.

If Hoagland is all gung-ho about the Space NAZIS at the South Pole, why would he be so dismissive about the North?

Biological_Unit said...

POLE HOLE DRAINS ARCTIC OCEAN !!

Misti Parker said...

Take a bucket of water, tie a rope to the handle, then spin it like a lasso.


http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh490/GeekNewWave/Journey4.jpg

http://www.geeknewwave.com/article/tue-05082012-0927/retro-wave-caleb-explores-underground-wonders-new-blu-ray-journey-center

Misti Parker said...

Body of Adm. Byrd's Son, 68, Found in Empty Warehouse
By PETER KERR
Published: October 09, 1988

Richard E. Byrd Jr., who lived his life in the shadow of his father, the admiral and Arctic explorer, was found dead last week in the darkness of an abandoned warehouse in Baltimore, his emaciated body clad in dirt-blackened clothes and one scuffed shoe, the police there said yesterday.

The 68-year-old Mr. Byrd, a graduate of Harvard University who as a young naval officer escorted his father on a journey to Antarctica in 1947, apparently died of malnutritian and dehydration, the police said.

The body was discovered Monday by a custodian who said he had chased Mr. Byrd and another man from the area on Sept. 28, according to Detective Charles Gilbert of the Baltimore police homicide squad. It was unclear, the police said, how the elderly member of a prominent Massachusetts family had come to wander and sleep in an area of warehouses and factories in the city's Hampden section.

''He was just wearing a shirt and pants and one shoe, and they all looked dirty,'' Detective Gilbert said, adding that the custodian who had chased Mr. Byrd and the other man recalled that ''they had booze with them in a paper bag at the time.'' Resident of Beacon Hill

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/09/us/body-of-adm-byrd-s-son-68-found-in-empty-warehouse.html

Biological_Unit said...

Gravity would drain the Arctic Ocean, troller/trolleress.

Misti Parker said...



When Byrd returned to the States, he was hospitalized and was not allowed
to hold any more press conferences. In March 1955, he was placed in charge
of Operation Deepfreeze which was part of the International Geophysical
Year (1957-1958) exploration of the Antarctic. He died, some have suggested
he was murdered, in 1957...



http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Bruce_Walton_The_Underground_Nazi_Invasion_17.html

Misti Parker said...

The Space NAZIS received the gift from the Aldarbarans of ANTI-GRAVITY!

Biological_Unit said...

How deep is the ocean floor under the north pole ?

where the Russians put their titanium flag ?

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

Assuming you mean the rotational north pole (as opposed to the magnetic north pole), the answer is about 4400 meters.

There would have to be a Sleeve that shuts out the water for 4.4 kilometers. All the people who know about this would have to be killed to keep this seekrit, of coors.

Misti Parker said...

You are using primitive thinking, BU. Think anti-gravity and light bending technologies, to contain the water and camouflage the hole to look like water. Of course, life is cheap and lots of expendable people die.

Tara Jordan said...

"the Vril, Thule and the Aldebaran from the link on Hoagland's facebutt page".

Once again the UFO & New Age communities are expressing impeccable intellectual confusion
regarding the Hyperborea mythology & more recent occult systems related to Polar myths & Nazi esoterism. Originally,these have nothing to do with ufology.

Misti Parker said...

Which came first, UFOlogy, Polar myths & Nazi esoterism, or the Vril, Thule, and Aldebaran?

Tara Jordan said...

@Misti
All these concepts are directly influenced by The Hyperborea mythology,but I think It was the French fiction writer Robert Charroux (the pioneer of ancient astronauts mumbo jumbo) who first connetected The Hyperborea mythology & the archetype of the Pole to ufology.

Biological_Unit said...

What happened to American Antigravity? Oh yes, they keep getting overlooked by the Nobel Physics prize committee...

forever and ever

Tara Jordan said...

@Expat. Are you aware of this cuckoo?. Joseph P Farrell (PHD in patristics from Oxford University) who writes books about alternative history,in which he cited academic & scientific luminaries such as Zecharia Sitchin,Nexus magazine, CommanderX,David Hatcher Childress.La crème de la crème....

expat said...

Yes, Farrell has lots of admirers. Several times fans of RCH have used Farrell's Oxford education in support of Hoagland (who of course has none.) I just reply "patristics isn't astronomy."

FlightSuit said...

If I can stray off topic for a moment, I'd just like to remind you all that immediately after the GOP convention, Mike Bara posted on Facebook, "Two words: PRESIDENT ROMNEY!"

I'm sorry I was banned from his Facebook, because I would dearly love to get on there and rub Obama's presumed victory in Bara's weasely little face.

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, I forgot it was election day - jeez, I best run out and vote as many times as possible for that reincarnated egyptian god, otherwise that evil mormon guy will never ever tells us the truth about aliens, free energy, our history on mars and usher us all into a wonderful perfect utopia in space... (I'm sure barry would have done it at any point in the last four years, but he's just been so busy, he hasn't had chance to get around to it, poor guy...)

Anonymous said...

Actually, come to think of it, if Bara is a Romney fan and Hoagland a barry-fluffer, I would have totally donated $19.50 to watch those two idiots duke it out in a "hidden science heavyweight boxing championship match" - that would be MUCH better than watching the news!

expat said...

If Mike Bara could vote for Adolf Hitler, he would -- he's just a raving right-winger. I hope Flightsuit hasn't jinxed the deal by prematurely gloating. I'll gloat with the best of 'em, but only when it's real.

Biological_Unit said...

Obamney or Robama, same shit policies.

Anonymous said...

Do the space nazis have voting stations on the moon, or do they send it via HD torsion wave messages?

Anonymous said...

I agree 10000% Bio_Unit

But this made me laugh!!... http://i48.tinypic.com/20a2c21.png

Best fb post of the year! Ryan Coulis for Pres!

expat said...

Let's face it -- fantasizing about marrying Ann Coulter is the moral equivalent of voting Hitler.

FlightSuit said...

Did Bara really say he fantasized about Coulter?

Sorry Mike, she's outta your league.

And that ain't sayin' much.

Trekker said...

Bara's urging his supporters to buy guns and ammunition. How low can you sink?

FlightSuit said...

Is he hoping for an armed uprising, or is he merely promoting 2nd Amendment hysteria despite the fact that Obama has never shown any interest in taking anybody's guns away?

Biological_Unit said...

Obama has spent more on Ray Guns than Ray Gun!

FlightSuit said...

Oh God, I just looked at Bara's Facebook posts regarding the election. It is so sad and funny to watch him having a meltdown. Boy, oh boy, he is really ANGRY at American voters right now!

Esteban Navarro said...

Yes , Flightsuit,he is going to have a cardiac arrest! Ha, ha, haaaaa..

One of the commenters says :" Where is a Lee harvie Oswald when you need him?

Expat´s right.Has anyone determined if Mikey teaches three fingers down on his belt when doing a full body picture?

Chris Lopes said...

I admit that the thought of people who take Bara seriously actually being armed is pause for concern. These people shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard, never mind a firearm.

Trekker said...

Scary, isn't it, Chris? I must admit, I was really taken aback by the intensity of the hatred being shown on his page since last night. How can people live with so much hatred in their hearts?

Chris Lopes said...

They don't understand that a true democracy means that sometimes your side loses. I didn't vote for Obama, but a few other people did. If you believe in the system, you have to accept the outcome and hope everything works out.

Misti Parker said...

Ann Coulter is a Log Cabin Republican.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/conservative-ann-coulter-joins-goproud-despite-her-cpac-affliation-53709/

http://web.archive.org/web/20050204142322/http://www.gwbush.com/archive/index-lcr.shtml


Lamar Myart said...

I swear, I listened to the show, he kept saying that the images were linked to his name, for the life of me I could not find them, still cant.

Anonymous said...

where is your sense of wonder and adventure? you people take the fun right out of "what if?" But I guess you know all there is to know.

expat said...

Anon: I've nothing against "What-ifs". What if Scarlet Johansson turned up in my local bar and took a fancy to me...?

If Richard Hoagland was designated the "Fantasy Adviser" to Coast-to-Coast AM, and said "There's a stone on Mars that looks a lot like a sneaker at first glance. What if it was?" -- I'd have no problem with that. But the FACT is, he's called the SCIENCE ADVISER and he says THAT THING THERE IS A NIKE SNEAKER -- more recently I HAVE IDENTIFIED THE FEATURES AT SHALER AS COLLAPSED APARTMENT BLOCKS.

That is unacceptable.

If Mike Bara accepted that his work is science fiction and published it as such, that'd be fine -- I wouldn't read it but I'd have no objection. But he doesn't. He writes appalling errors such as "An annular eclipse happens when the Moon is unusually close to Earth." Then he denies that it's an error -- or in the case of his equally blatant mistake about centrifugal force, deliberately misquotes himself in a sorry attempt to cover the cock-up. That behavior is also unacceptable.

Of course I don't know all there is to know. But I know which direction centrifugal force acts, I know why solar eclipses are sometimes annular, and I know that "It looks like a sneaker" is not the same thing as "It is a sneaker."

thestickman said...

That man does more harm in the search for extra-terrestrial civilizations/visitation than all the religious fanatics does for the belief in God. Seriously, -the man needs Prozac!