When are they going to have a War Crimes Tribunal for Hillarious Clinton, Obama and all their cronies?Somebody else suggested it might be a good idea to send Nancy Pelosi off on an asteroid. Robin Falkov, the homeopathy doc, drew attention to a 60 Minutes segment on congressional corruption, also involving Pelosi. On the other hand, she's obviously rather taken with the OWS movimiento, so who knows?
I can't recall The Big Man (as Richard Hoagland once described himself) ever expressing flagrantly Republican views, but there's absolutely no doubt about his former co-author, university drop-out Mike Bara. As I blogged at the time, back in July 2010 there was a minor news story about the release by the University of Arizona HiRISE team of a new high-definition false color image of the so-called Face at Cydonia. Mike blogged about it on 3rd August, and out of all the science commentaries he could have chosen, he elected to focus on a piece in foxnews.com.
Usually, these linds[sic] of articles pop-up when NASA is about to release something new and interesting about Mars. It serves as a warning to anyone in science and academia not to start asking too many uncomfortable questions because they will be subsequently ridiculed.I waited 24 days before commenting, on the blog:
So, the real issue here is; what’s coming up about Mars that NASA is worried about? We’ll see.
Do you truly, sincerely, believe that if NASA wished to issue a warning to the science community Fox News would be the medium of choice? I think that would take some explaining, since real scientists probably don’t even know that Fox News exists, let alone regularly consult its web outlet.
It’s now been a month since the release of that image. Nothing has “come up about Mars” that might worry anyone, least of all NASA. This is fatal to your thesis.
Mike riposted as follows:
As if I needed any more proof that you are a complete blithering idiot, the fact that you are obviously a democrat confirms it. Enjoy November.That "blithering idiot" insult is getting a little over-used, I think. Roughly translated it means "someone who doesn't worship Richard Hoagland." But anyway, how the hell did he deduce that I'm a democrat? Was it my guess that planetary scientists don't get their science news from foxnews.com—is that what gave the game away? (Actually, it's far, far worse—I'm further left than anyone Mike Bara has ever met.)
Keep the gubbmint small!
I suppose it does make a certain sense, if you think about it, that people who believe that JPL scientists airbrush out little green men before releasing planetary images, also believe that Nancy Pelosi is a criminal. "Keep government out of our lives" is, after all, a slogan of the right. It's only we lefties who think that if society were unregulated the weak and disadvantaged elements would be totally shafted by the fat cats. Even worse than they are right now, I mean.
You don't have to look far on Keith Laney's Hidden Mission Forum—another internet enclave of Face-believers—to find anti-gubbmint thoughts (usually expressed in the grammar and spelling of ghetto teenagers.) So I think we can look forward to more loony politics from the disciples, as the American election season accelerates and there are fewer comets and asteroids around to accuse of being spaceships (although today's loony space headline, I notice, is PHOBOS GRUNT SABOTAGED: MISSION WAS DESTINED FOR YU55 ALL ALONG. The disciples are lapping it up.)
Paranoia knows no ideological boundaries. You'll fine just as many left wing loonies believing Bush torched the towers as you'll find right wing nuts who think Obama was born on Regulus 5. Politics at the extremes tends to work that way.
Hoagland's own politics is (as you suggest) an open question. I think he tries to keep it that way to give him flexibility in selling the narrative. On those occasions where he has clarified it a bit (in his "Bulletin" about police moving in on the OWS) the negative reactions he got were enough for him to leave the field of battle.
Bara on the other hand, is just plain (for this conservative) an embarrassment. Honorable people are allowed to disagree with each other without one assuming the lack of intelligence of the other. As every educated person knows, you address the argument not the person making it. That is a major (and not unexpected) logic fail on Bara's part.
I think the Hoagland's of the world tend to attract those who mistrust (to the point of rabid antipathy) institutions in general, not just government. This mistrust covers literally everything from Wallmart and Wallstreet, to pretty much everything the see, hear, and read (except maybe Hoagland himself and Coast to Coast AM when they have him on). Hoagland and company prey on that hatred by providing vindication for it. Yes they are all keeping the truth from you, but for the price of a $50 DVD, you can know what's really happening.
On a side note, the story Hoagland used to jazz up the crowd last night (http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1111/23phobosgrunt/) doesn't say anything about "saving" the Phobos-Grunt. They just received a signal from it (sans telemetry) which may or may not mean anything.
Hoagland is claiming "secret sources" again, but the signal was received about 1:30 pm local (as in Hoagland's) time. That gave him almost 13 hours to get the information some other way (like a space blog he might belong to), before getting that note (he never actually spoke on the air) to George Noory. Another piece of Hoagland nonsense.
By the way, if you want to know what really happens when the gubbmint stays the fuck out of people's lives, you might read about the city of Nogales, Sonora, Mexico.
There is a difference between limited government and no government. I don't know many limited government proponents who believe that law enforcement is not a governmental responsibility. The real question here is where to draw the line. Rational people can disagree about such things.
RCH came out ranting against the "teabaggers" on C2C in early 2010, blaming tehm for the misteps of the One, the Savior, the anointed one, BHO.
That's because Hoagland goes in the direction he believes the wind is blowing. That he is often wrong about such things is besides the point. At the time he thought he could ride an anti-tea party wave, so he went for it. It's the same deal with OWS, only he's included some wackiness about consciousness raising comets. In both cases, he doesn't talk about the issue much any more.
Fake planes melting into a representation of building is a hilarious Part of American History. And what is this "fire" crap? Nukes nuke buildings, I don't know what the hell you were looking at!
As proof of my point about craziness being ideologically neutral, I present the following link that is on Hoagland's own FB page (apparently he's having trouble accessing his FB account, which is why the link is still there):
As you can see, the right wing nuts on this site don't actually see him as a friend to the cause. I also note that Hoagland's paranoid fantasies have come back to bit him in the ass. That's what happens when you base your entire career around conspiracy theories. Some of the loons you attract are likely to make you the star of their own.
Here's a cleaner link:
Point made, yes. I don't intend to use the Gary Leggiere saga in this blog.
I have to agree with you on that score. It's a very messy business.
The butcher’s bill for conquering Iraq and its vast oil fields: at least 4,483 US soldiers killed and over 33,000 seriously wounded, many with brain injuries. But these figures are likely far too low. Estimates of Iraqi dead run from 112,000 to over one million. The Pentagon knows, but won’t release the figures.
All the Neo-Con liars had to do was put forth a little fakery around and about a demolition job. Mars Revealer bought it, and you Great Men of Science are pretending to believe it. I refuse to believe that yous could be that stupid.
I don't think we had to conquer the oil fields, as Saddam was more than willing to sell us the oil if we wanted it. I'm guessing we could have gotten a pretty good deal if it meant he could keep his job, and his life. So oil wasn't the real motive.
Whatever the real motive, it's clear the "geniuses" who got us involved there didn't think it all the way through. Because of that, we've spent more time, money, and lives than we had to. Hopefully divine providence will save us from people who think they are smart enough to make the world bend to their version of reality. Because reality ALWAYS wins.
Oil is the real motive. We all "died" as the Stock Market peaked out just as world Oil production did. Life can only get worse, period.
Do these OWS types think that sitting in the street is going to change anything, and that the banksters are going to say, "Gee, maybe we're wrong. Whaddya think, guys? Should we give back all of those trillions? Who's with me on this?" Uhhh . . . no.
Should there be Laws to support the Main-Stream Media version of 911 Psy-OpÉ
Yes, fire bad. No jews invented Nukes, and certainly have never been used, ever!
An Israeli agent confesses to foreknowledge of 9/11
Expat, I must say the politics of Hoagland's fans is (to say the least) confused. I just saw one of his more faithful followers describe America as a "NAZI/Zionist Corporation". To paraphrase "The Princess Bride", I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.
Corporate fascists and "helpless victims" ensconced in top positions everywhere pulling the strings on everything - the AshkeNAZI Global Reich.
Ashkenaz is the Hebrew name for Germany. Therefore, you are living in Greater Ashkenaz.
On another note, "Doctor" Falkov is advising the folks on the evils of vaccination. Being a pretend scientist can be amusing, being a pretend doctor can be dangerous.
Vaccines and immunology are too complicated for my typical short response.
Incredibly, America’s closest ally, Israel, has yet to contribute a single soldier to Washington’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nor are American Jews particularly noted for their presence, let alone their heroism, in the fighting forces. And yet they fight with their pens most valiantly, far from the din of battle. It is they who beat the war drums the loudest, who profit most from the wanton slaughter of innocents, and who “get others to fight and die for them.”
The days of wine and roses are over. The American Dream is dead. Like Germany and Russia before it, America lies vanquished.
They are apparently beyond the understanding of "Doctor" Falkov as well. It seems that the medicine that real doctors prescribe are just "magic pills" and that life (which I assume includes getting the measles, chicken pocks, and polio) is to be "lived". This is not to be confused with the placebos she peddles, the kind that probably cost Steve Jobs his life.
Israeli solders in Iraq and Afghanistan? You don't think the locals would see that as the ultimate defiling of their counties? Navigating the cultural and religious minefields over there is tough enough thank you. No need to try to make it impossible.
Israelis can live in peace, I mean Jews because they have all the money. Going on a Holy Crusade based on what yous seen on Tel Avi Sion - the gift of America!
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