tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post9074695665593963524..comments2023-12-19T09:40:12.020-08:00Comments on The Emoluments of Mars: Hoagland's wet dreamexpathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-57748277056792431822011-06-10T00:34:55.814-07:002011-06-10T00:34:55.814-07:00Anonymous, Why did you NOT pursue Hoagland?Anonymous, Why did you NOT pursue Hoagland?Biological_Unithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-69943007085643367932011-06-09T22:19:48.802-07:002011-06-09T22:19:48.802-07:00How could you know that, Anon?How could you know that, Anon?Biological_Unithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-75546900219184396412011-06-08T06:52:24.212-07:002011-06-08T06:52:24.212-07:00Thanks for the comment, anon.Thanks for the comment, anon.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-14079047270380933112011-06-07T21:52:37.546-07:002011-06-07T21:52:37.546-07:00Both Lopes and JC suck cock profuselyBoth Lopes and JC suck cock profuselyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-80057225539440929512011-06-01T14:01:25.356-07:002011-06-01T14:01:25.356-07:00There you have it then. Clearly Hoagland was givin...There you have it then. Clearly Hoagland was giving the very strong impression of lots and lots of water on the Moon. While he didn't use the word oceans, that was definitely George's take. In any case, they have both stepped back a bit from that assertion.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-46166553770356340232011-06-01T08:29:27.099-07:002011-06-01T08:29:27.099-07:00Regarding Chris Lopes comment on May 30, 2011 1:17...Regarding Chris Lopes comment on May 30, 2011 1:17 PM...quoted directly from the C2C show (as I am listening and typing):<br /><br />Hoaglan: "Tomorrow, NASA is gonna announce, and this date has been embargoed until tomorrow afternoon, so I'm basically telling tales out of school, but we have good sources. NASA is going to announce that the moon, may have, are you sitting down George? I know you like to pace..."<br /><br />George: "I do love to stand but I'll sit down for this one."<br /><br />Hoaglan: "Thank You, you better. They are gonna announce tomorrow the moon seems to have as much water inside it, as the earth!"<br /><br />George: "Nooo?"<br /><br />Hoaglan: "Yes!"<br /><br />George: "Oceans and oceans underneath the surface?"<br /><br />Hoaglan:"...of water under the surface. Now they can't, they are, they, frankly admit in this paper, they haven't a clue what's going on...because the previous model of the moon we have been living with since apollo, since the first moon rocks were brought back by Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins in 1969, and they had the first so called Rock Conference in houston to basically discuss moon rocks and the chemistry, you know, how did this impact the origin of the moon and all that...they have been thinking the moon was formed by some big Mars type planet....."<br /><br />He goes on about the embryo thoery. Also, it's nice to here that Hoaglan admits that he likes to "tell tales out of school",..his words not mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-53715212143625427212011-05-30T15:00:18.085-07:002011-05-30T15:00:18.085-07:00It would certainly point to an unspoken acknowledg...It would certainly point to an unspoken acknowledgment that what was promised in the previous evening's program wasn't really delivered. Hoagland's big moment turned into more hype than fact, as usual.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-21752140569373358472011-05-30T14:35:41.234-07:002011-05-30T14:35:41.234-07:00The following night Noory said "As RCH report...The following night Noory said "As RCH reported last night, there's as much water on the Moon as in the Caribbean Sea." Maybe a lame attempt to save face?James Concannonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-40077498854409966902011-05-30T13:51:30.189-07:002011-05-30T13:51:30.189-07:00Oh there is no doubt he over sold the whole thing ...Oh there is no doubt he over sold the whole thing by a wide margin, and certainly left the impression that there is lots and lots of water (the space Nazis have to be using SOMETHING to make their beer with) available. It was a close enough declaration for the C2C staff member who wrote the summary to get that impression. He wasn't really talking about subsurface moisture that's for sure.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-10566159802668347692011-05-30T13:42:36.949-07:002011-05-30T13:42:36.949-07:00Chris, that may be true. I've only spot-checke...Chris, that may be true. I've only spot-checked... the amount of prevarication was making me feel a bit nauseated.<br /><br />Not only did Hoagland fail to pick Noory up on the oceans line, he immediately painted a picture of this meaning that lunar colonists would find plentiful available water. This, of course, is completely wrong. Water in melt inclusions miles below the surface is neither plentiful nor available.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-87035992900741885192011-05-30T13:17:55.662-07:002011-05-30T13:17:55.662-07:00A slight problem has come up with regards to this ...A slight problem has come up with regards to this "oceans on the Moon" thing. It was George Noory who mentioned as much water as the oceans, not Hoagland. Hoagie didn't disagree with him, or attempt to correct him in any way, but he didn't actually say what the C2C summary says he says.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-72251013806576519462011-05-27T13:55:58.110-07:002011-05-27T13:55:58.110-07:00Anon, I have no problem at all with people paying ...Anon, I have no problem at all with people paying to read Hoagland's words or see him in person. As I have said a number of times, people buying his books and DVDs are getting exactly what they pay for; the wit and "wisdom" of Richard Hoagland. There is nothing wrong with that at all.<br /><br />The issue here is that Hoagland insists that what he does (and the folks at C2C back him up) is science. It's clearly not. Yet he gets down right angry if you call it anything else. So as long as HE insists on taking what he does seriously, people like Expat are doing a service by pointing out just how far from that ideal he has strayed.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-79706110863296838632011-05-27T12:33:13.827-07:002011-05-27T12:33:13.827-07:00I think he may be protecting himself. By telling p...I think he may be protecting himself. By telling potential truths and wild stories he may be keeping the heat off so to say. Cause as we all know, the truth speakers usually get murdered.<br /><br />His intention is to get people interested in asking questions. <br /><br />Obviously he knows that people enjoy his stories. He made me think of the moon in other ways rather then dead and cold. And that alone is deserving of thanks.<br /><br />I'm sure if he went into hardcore dry science he'd loose allot of his audience.<br /><br />If people want to pay, let them pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-28456695035991987512011-05-27T06:48:40.044-07:002011-05-27T06:48:40.044-07:00Anon, if Hoagland were actually interested in real...Anon, if Hoagland were actually interested in real space exploration, you might have a point. He doesn't though. He's more interested in telling stories about space Nazis with death rays, break away civilizations, and magic super science machines that Hugo Gernsback would have trouble buying. <br /><br />Any attempt to engage Hoagland on what is actually going on in the world of space flight and NASA is ALWAYS shoe-horned into "stunning confirmation" of one of his numerous idiotic theories. The topic of the new space movement for instance, is of no interest what so ever to him. If he can't fit it into his mythology, he doesn't care about it.<br /><br />As to generating an interest in space, the Hoagland of 20 years ago might have been able to do that, but this version can't. How does trying to decipher the "secret" messages in a Presidential press conference help get people excited about space? How does talking endlessly about "secret space wars" help get people interested in the real space program? I mean why would anyone care what the current NASA budget is, if the HD tech Hoagland is constantly talking about really exists? No, Hoagland isn't getting people interested in space, he's distracting them with pseudo-science.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-79797836547167374902011-05-27T06:46:16.309-07:002011-05-27T06:46:16.309-07:00Thanks for the comments, anon.
>>In order t...Thanks for the comments, anon.<br /><br />>>In order to keep an audience you must generalize, exaggerate and tell stories. <<<br /><br />Not necessarily. And certainly not if you call yourself a scientist and are paid a fee to act as SCIENCE adviser to the media.<br /><br />The truth does matter, y'know.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-15521416591291449632011-05-27T01:47:59.556-07:002011-05-27T01:47:59.556-07:00I wonder when Hoagland is going to use this story ...I wonder when Hoagland is going to use this story as evidence of his "Town Square" theory? Some of the lost pyramids look remarkably like the ones on Mars.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13522957<br /><br /><b>Egyptian pyramids found by infra-red satellite images</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-76092214775015869422011-05-27T00:53:43.484-07:002011-05-27T00:53:43.484-07:00You should really take drugs, by that logic.
hiff...You should really take drugs, by that logic.<br /><br />hifff, (cough, cough)Biological_Unithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-13514493802608656662011-05-26T21:24:43.255-07:002011-05-26T21:24:43.255-07:00No, you are wrong. He admitted that he likes to ge...No, you are wrong. He admitted that he likes to generalize. <br /><br />In order to keep an audience you must generalize, exaggerate and tell stories. <br /><br />Lets get excited about space.<br /><br />We need to recruit interest anyway possible.<br /><br />Why don't you tell us the future then? <br /><br />You sir, are a buzz kill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com