tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post7950881878264159939..comments2023-12-19T09:40:12.020-08:00Comments on The Emoluments of Mars: Point-by-point critique of 'Ancient Aliens on Mars' PART TWOexpathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-48437616633333436362014-04-02T13:36:49.566-07:002014-04-02T13:36:49.566-07:00Thanks for the comment. Actually, it's hard to...Thanks for the comment. Actually, it's hard to imagine any <i>better</i> photography of the so-called face than we already have from HiRISE. Mike Bara has already tweeted that he'll be doing an analysis of that image in the book he's writing now.<br /><br />Surprise, surprise -- he still thinks it shows "unmistakable" signs of artificiality.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-82334860703239564302014-04-02T13:13:26.386-07:002014-04-02T13:13:26.386-07:00When there is an opportunity to get more and bette...When there is an opportunity to get more and better views of the Cydonia region I will be interested to see them, but at this point that's as far as it goes for me. When this whole thing started it was interesting, but the farther they take it the more silly it becomes. Every warped and twisted hunk of rock is suddenly an 'artifact'. It's amazing how ridiculously far they go with their 'interpretation' of images. Thanks for setting the record straight regarding the big batch of fudge they made with the math as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02921434909375786706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-40122743231237557532013-11-12T09:16:44.871-08:002013-11-12T09:16:44.871-08:00I wonder if Mike has seen the Martian iguana yet.
...I wonder if Mike has seen the Martian iguana yet.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/mars-iguana-nasa-curiosity-photo_n_4255910.htmlRobert Ghostwolf's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-81968232363869677092013-11-10T17:42:36.322-08:002013-11-10T17:42:36.322-08:00Now that Art Bell is no longer working for SiriusX...Now that Art Bell is no longer working for SiriusXM, Hoagie is in a bind radio-wise. My guess is he bet Bell would be crushing C2C ( a not unreasonable bet), so he could afford to tweak Noory a bit. Sucks to be wrong like that.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-66470426456293490542013-11-10T16:08:08.918-08:002013-11-10T16:08:08.918-08:00I'm sooooo hoping that the former science advi...I'm sooooo hoping that the former science advisor is now <i>persona non grata</i> around Sherman Oaks. I really like Bob Zimmerman (although we clash like Israel vs. Palestine in all matters political,) and certainly the last few astronomy/space topics have gone to him.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-33274655461626347252013-11-10T14:37:28.293-08:002013-11-10T14:37:28.293-08:00@Expat
If you don't already know, Hoagie (thru...@Expat<br />If you don't already know, Hoagie (thru "Greg Ahrens") is asking his FB page groupies (those that are left anyway) to email George Noory for some airtime so he can discuss his model of what is really going on with P/2013 P5. You'd think the science advisor to C2C wouldn't have any trouble getting Noory's attention on such an issue. I guess trying to kiss Art Bell's butt by helping him diss Noory wasn't such a good idea after all.<br /> Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-48585348860110365002013-11-07T12:16:12.592-08:002013-11-07T12:16:12.592-08:00You can't just go by the dry weights, as the a...You can't just go by the dry weights, as the assent stage has to carry its fuel with it as it leaves the lunar surface. That weight doesn't magically disappear because you don't want to do the math. Maybe someday Mikey will learn that reality has no obligation to match one of Hoagie's BS talking points, but today is not that day.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-78374208887079370812013-11-07T11:23:42.509-08:002013-11-07T11:23:42.509-08:00Expat says:
Please look at the row "Ascent st...Expat says:<br />Please look at the row "Ascent stage/Maximum rated thrust, lb"<br />Please note Apollo 10 1650 lb cf. Apollo 11 3218 lb.<br /><br />HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT 1,650 LB THRUST WOULD LAUNCH A 10,300 LB VEHICLE?<br /><br />Now we all know it's thrust demons and lift pixies.. Doesn't EVERYONE know that? No wonder Mike "bad ass" Bara is frustrated with all the non believers not erm, believing the trooof. They simply don't want to understand. :-)<br /><br />SBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-26004466633999482092013-11-07T07:39:56.430-08:002013-11-07T07:39:56.430-08:00I just added another comment to Mike's blog:
...I just added another comment to Mike's blog:<br /><br />Please follow the same link you cited for your tables, http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_18-13_Launch_Vehicle-Spacecraft_Key_Facts.htm<br /><br />Please look at the row "Ascent stage/Maximum rated thrust, lb"<br />Please note Apollo 10 1650 lb cf. Apollo 11 3218 lb.<br /><br />HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT 1,650 LB THRUST WOULD LAUNCH A 10,300 LB VEHICLE?expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-50814898978007938872013-11-07T06:58:29.395-08:002013-11-07T06:58:29.395-08:00Again, Bara is the victim of Hoagland's folly....Again, Bara is the victim of Hoagland's folly. He doesn't understand the difference between dry and wet weight when it comes to spacecraft. The Apollo 10 LM dry weight (weight without fuel) was considerably greater than the Apollo 11 LM dry weight. It ended up being lighter because they used less fuel. If the Apollo 10 LM had been fully fueled, it would have been too heavy to leave the surface of the Moon. Not much chance of anyone even thinking about "hot dogging" in that situation.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-10015667398472553112013-11-07T00:50:01.398-08:002013-11-07T00:50:01.398-08:00Bara on his blog: "No matter what the source ...Bara on his blog: "No matter what the source or medium, he tries to take issue with what we say or propose".<br /><br />It's called critical review. But he's not used to it as in the whole of his waking life he has never been near any scientific process.<br /><br />Bara just writes and fact-checks himself! That's why he gets it wrong on each and every turn as error only invites more error if left unchecked. And he's so emotional and financially invested in being "right" that he'd rather die than retract anything.<br /><br />If his output would be just permanently classified under "Entertainment" or "Space Religion", it would not bother anyone that much. But like a snake oil salesman, he's selling something blatantly mislabeled to the gullible and needy, the untrained of the world. Thereby abusing the trust the system puts in retailers and broadcasters to maintain some standards. Unfortunately excitement sells and trumps all scrutiny.Deenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-40167361615474027572013-11-06T20:24:25.460-08:002013-11-06T20:24:25.460-08:00Sure I've seen it. I posted the following comm...Sure I've seen it. I posted the following comments to the blog, which of course he will not allow to be seen:<br /><br /> "Our lander, LM-4...was still too heavy to guarantee safe margins for a moon landing."<br /><br />--Gene Cernan, in "The Last Man on the Moon" page 184<br /><br />Please read this:<br />http://www.space.com/17590-apollo-10.html<br />Then read this:<br />http://tranquilitybaseblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/why-wasnt-apollo-10-first-mission-to.html<br />Then read this:<br />http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/05/nasas-controversial-dress-rehe.html<br /><br />There's a good technical discussion here:<br />http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000269.html<br /><br />============================<br /><br />With Apollo 9 having successfully tested the LM in Earth orbit, the next issue was whether to fly the 'F' mission or to push on and attempt the lunar landing. In fact, it would be impossible for LM-4 to attempt the 'G' mission, as the software to conduct the powered descent was still under development. Furthermore, owing to propellant restrictions in the ascent stage of this somewhat overweight LM it would be unable to lift off and rendezvous."<br /><br />"NASA's Moon Program: Paving the way for Apollo 11" by David M. Harland, p. 452<br /><br />===============================<br /><br />There's another consideration, which is hinted at in the collectspace discussion but not fully developed. Since Snoopy's Ascent Stage separated at 47,400 ft, then lit its engine for re-rendezvous with the CM, it was important for its weight to be the same as it would have been at that altitude if it had landed. To simulate this correctly, only the amount of fuel that would be residual at 47,400 ft after a lunar takeoff could be loaded. Bet you didn't think of that -- I must say I hadn't either.<br /><br />================================<br /><br />Bob Zimmerman confirms that my account is correct. In fact he calls the idea that Snoopy was short-fueled to forestall any hot-dogging "patently absurd."expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-49052893336060269202013-11-06T19:03:17.946-08:002013-11-06T19:03:17.946-08:00He has a new blog about you getting the weight of ...He has a new blog about you getting the weight of Apollo 10, and its not landing on the moon, wrong.<br /><br />Have you seen it?Trekkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-78023369006703192042013-11-06T15:01:56.935-08:002013-11-06T15:01:56.935-08:00Anon,
Bara hasn't read as much science fiction...Anon,<br />Bara hasn't read as much science fiction as Hoagland, so he doesn't have as many stock phrases stolen from people with real talent as he does. That "the sands of time" sounds like the title of a bad 1930's pulp sci fi story would never occur to him. I expect his writing to become even more worse than Hoagie's.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-9103921517617765962013-11-06T12:56:53.418-08:002013-11-06T12:56:53.418-08:00Thankyou for your continued efforts in debunking t...Thankyou for your continued efforts in debunking this charlatan.<br />Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-28481359877474546652013-11-06T12:34:24.526-08:002013-11-06T12:34:24.526-08:00It's a pre-requisite when such as Bara need to...It's a pre-requisite when such as Bara need to (try) and add gravita to their bollox, that "of time" is the suffix to "sands". The latter pretty much sums of the foundation of their "research". I can't wait to hear Stuart going on air in a discussion about messrs Haoxland and Bad ass. <br /><br />SBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-47317049288766069192013-11-06T06:34:04.265-08:002013-11-06T06:34:04.265-08:00Sort-of. RCH gets mentions especially in the "...Sort-of. RCH gets mentions especially in the "Geometry of Cydonia" pages.<br /><br />Here's the ded:<br /><br />This book is dedicated to my friend and former co-author, without whom the many mysteries of Mars would have remained forever buried in the sands of time."<br /><br />And you'll be charmed to know that he acknowledged all the pets: "Bailey and Barkley, Sebastian and my little lights The Lady Aurora and Miss Fluffy-Muffy."expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-17853589000229492332013-11-05T21:13:53.324-08:002013-11-05T21:13:53.324-08:00Does Bara even credit Hoagland for the material he...Does Bara even credit Hoagland for the material he's using?Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.com