tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post6710802413850927122..comments2023-12-19T09:40:12.020-08:00Comments on The Emoluments of Mars: Mike Bara, Olympian insulterexpathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-44618907348514095512012-08-15T16:29:06.022-07:002012-08-15T16:29:06.022-07:00I'm amazed that Tara Jordan hasn't been ba...I'm amazed that Tara Jordan hasn't been banned from Bara's Facebook.<br /><br />FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-81714288006840676262012-08-12T13:48:05.798-07:002012-08-12T13:48:05.798-07:00Mike Bara is a moron.Mike Bara is a moron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-86799233592145074742012-08-11T15:15:07.340-07:002012-08-11T15:15:07.340-07:00Agree to disagree. Unless he's doing a multi-...Agree to disagree. Unless he's doing a multi-year social experiment and will reveal in the future, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.astroguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807615605691873999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-72350404844694217402012-08-11T13:52:20.631-07:002012-08-11T13:52:20.631-07:00Again, I must disagree. Mike got enamored with the...Again, I must disagree. Mike got enamored with the Hoagland's audience more than his ideas. His inability to argue (no Mike, using homophobic epitaphs is not an argument) stems from his total lack of interest in the actual science of the topic. Where as Hoagland is trying to form an online cult of personality, Bara just wants to make money and pick up women.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-33438906486765663942012-08-11T12:04:12.846-07:002012-08-11T12:04:12.846-07:00My impression (again, impression, not knowledge) i...My impression (again, impression, not knowledge) is that Mike got enamored with what Hoagland promoted and really is a true believer. Combine that with an utter lack of ability to conduct an informed conversation/dialog/argument, and you get what we see.astroguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807615605691873999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-49484225339848774322012-08-11T06:54:40.339-07:002012-08-11T06:54:40.339-07:00Bara's job is to pick up starlets. Being on TV...Bara's job is to pick up starlets. Being on TV is maximally useful in that endeavor, and as I've remarked before, judged purely as a performer Mike's pretty good at that. He's been hinting at some great new opportunity and my hope is that it's performance of some kind and nothing to do with science. If that's the case, good luck to him. If it's a continuation of his mangling of the truth, this blog will have many more postings.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-2274468104782587212012-08-11T06:27:51.284-07:002012-08-11T06:27:51.284-07:00astroguy,
Is Bara then just that much more angry ...astroguy,<br /><br />Is Bara then just that much more angry than Hoagland? If he really is a believer in everything, then he has to know that he has no hope of inciting a great revolution of truth or the "year of disclosure" that Hoagland's always confident is right around the corner. RCH is at least giving lip service to the fact that you have to write papers and conduct experiments to be a real scientist. Granted, RCH is *horrible* at doing the above coherently, but you can tell he wants to be seen as a legitimate researcher.<br /><br />Mike, on the other hand, is basically just a waste of space. He writes and speaks but does nothing approaching an impression of science, even stopping short of having a decent *conversation*. I guess my view is that if he is a believer, then he's either too angry at "the other side" to care in the slightest if he ever convinces anyone outside his own small circle, or he thinks RCH is doing the job of proving himself and Bara right, and his job is to make some bucks.jourgetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-49870436899118974402012-08-10T23:48:07.516-07:002012-08-10T23:48:07.516-07:00Expat.
I asked my friend at NASA Ames Research Cen...Expat.<br />I asked my friend at NASA Ames Research Center if there is any way to prevent frauds like Hoagland & Mike Bara from using Photoshopped NASA pictures to promote theirs crappy books & ridiculous theoriesTara Jordannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-85972165187748631832012-08-10T20:36:30.183-07:002012-08-10T20:36:30.183-07:00I dunno ... Mike to me really seems to be a true b...I dunno ... Mike to me really seems to be a true believer. I know he quashes anyone who even starts to show how he's wrong, but he really seems to be more of a believer than Hoagland.astroguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807615605691873999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-21785525677287003862012-08-10T18:23:30.107-07:002012-08-10T18:23:30.107-07:00Yep, you're busted luv. But it was great while...Yep, you're busted luv. But it was great while it lasted. Thanks a bunch.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-48541310912028631252012-08-10T18:16:13.028-07:002012-08-10T18:16:13.028-07:00I think I'm rumbled boys. Sorry, but I tried. ...I think I'm rumbled boys. Sorry, but I tried. But on a lighter note. Jamie wanted me to be your Lady Macbeth. I failed in the manipulation of our subject. But I tried, as did the other two witches. We did get him a bit shaky though ?<br /><br />Cantra xCantrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026328552911166663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-26395865763095970652012-08-10T16:20:49.574-07:002012-08-10T16:20:49.574-07:00jourget,
I'm not sure I believe that Hoagla...jourget,<br /> I'm not sure I believe that Hoagland is still a believer in his own BS. At first he may have been, but I don't think he does now. You're right though, Bara isn't a believer (in anything besides Mike Bara) and never was. He just saw a chance to reach Hoagland's audience.<br /><br />I think you nailed the writing dynamic well. Hoagland can't put together a coherent paragraph to save his life, while Bara is competent enough to make his work readable. Not filling your prose with a lot of make believe math and science certainly makes the work easier to get through. Hoagland is too busy trying to show us how smart he is for any of his writing to work. That's the problem with his gas bag presentations as well.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-70018717958938690282012-08-10T16:05:31.930-07:002012-08-10T16:05:31.930-07:00As laughable as that is, that wasn't even the ...As laughable as that is, that wasn't even the ultimate source. It traces back to themurkynews. Murky indeed.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-69116992386411593252012-08-10T16:01:29.151-07:002012-08-10T16:01:29.151-07:00QUOTE:
My original pyramid image “as1120pyramid2...QUOTE:<br /><br /> My original pyramid image “as1120pyramid20smallue2.jpg” came from the Call of Duty Zombies forum.<br />-------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />Well there you have it, haters and skeptics. He got it from a rock-solid source.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-91890175438433440632012-08-10T14:42:25.621-07:002012-08-10T14:42:25.621-07:00And the adolescent-level vanity, Tara:
"Ugh....And the adolescent-level vanity, Tara:<br /><br />"Ugh. Looked bad in that one. Plus they shot me from my bad side and lied to me about what we were talking about. I didn't even know the camera was on. Must hit gym..."Trekkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-19511880799391683742012-08-10T14:42:13.580-07:002012-08-10T14:42:13.580-07:00Ah! Thank you. See, the publishing rate illustrate...Ah! Thank you. See, the publishing rate illustrates the difference between Bara and Hoagland. Based on his execrable responses to detractors in pretty much every venue, Bara doesn't care how he presents himself to anyone who may be of actual scientific standing. I think he's less of a "true believer" than Hoagland, is solely in it for the money, and is thus able to punch out book after book in order to keep the cash flowing. This is not to say Mike believes *none* of it, having worked with RCH for so many years, but that he's less concerned with proving himself than he is about the finer things in life.<br /><br />Hoagland, on the other hand, believes wholeheartedly in his own gospel. He's careful not to be too abrasive, though he's just as thorough in dismissing every single criticism that's levied against him. Nevertheless, his focus on pretending that he's doing real science has severely handicapped him in the publishing department. His own writings are so dry and inconsistent that he's trapped between two worlds: too boring for the fringe mainstream (oxymoron?) and too incoherent and incompetent for any kind of legitimate recognition. Bara's main contribution was to make the insanity palatable for publishers in the form of Dark Mission. Now that they've gone their separate ways, it will be fun to watch how they feed off each other.jourgetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-51174616756888253242012-08-10T14:19:01.365-07:002012-08-10T14:19:01.365-07:00Mike Bara "I've outwitted NASA's best...Mike Bara "I've outwitted NASA's best Phd.'s multiple times...." <br />Extraordinary statement from a man who has an IQ below dog's shitTara Jordannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-11389307772026010382012-08-10T14:05:08.290-07:002012-08-10T14:05:08.290-07:00For those following the on-going comedy on the Bar...For those following the on-going comedy on the Bara-Boo page, I want you to know that I have not personally reported Mike for violating ToS.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-52323186652947303102012-08-10T14:00:08.336-07:002012-08-10T14:00:08.336-07:00Jourget: $12,000 is over-generous for Bara's l...Jourget: $12,000 is over-generous for Bara's likely income from 'The Choice.' As Chris points out, it is heavily discounted. Try $10,000.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-87214823145063342632012-08-10T13:54:14.218-07:002012-08-10T13:54:14.218-07:00jourget,
There are a couple of things you have to...jourget,<br /><br />There are a couple of things you have to keep in mind when trying to evaluate the performance of "The Choice". First, whatever he's making from it, he doesn't have to share with Hoagland. Second, even if it didn't sell well (and I wouldn't think 10,000 copies is anything to sneeze at given the limited market he's in), he has another book under his belt to use as street cred with publishers. That's 3 books (counting Aliens on the Moon) in a little over 5 years, compared to Hoagland's 2 books in 4 decades. Granted, the books are pure crap, but they are made of paper and you can buy them in a store. :)Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-56080239562047854262012-08-10T13:37:18.346-07:002012-08-10T13:37:18.346-07:00Expat, I recall that in a past comment section, yo...Expat, I recall that in a past comment section, you had offered a rough estimate of the take-home royalties that Hoagland and Bara may have received from sales of Dark Mission, suggesting that each co-author may have only earned about $30,000.<br /><br />Here's a follow-up question: How do you think that performance compares with The Choice? In the About the Author blurb under Ancient Aliens on the Moon on Amazon, it is noted that Dark Mission has sold "over 50,000 copies to date" and that The Choice has sold "10,000 copies (est.) since October of 2010".<br /><br />All other things being equal, could that mean that if Dark Mission paid the authors $60,000 for 50,000 copies, The Choice might only have put $12,000 in Mike's pocket? Additionally, The Choice seems to be selling for even less than the older Dark Mission, with current Amazon prices of $17.13 for DM and $10.87 for TC.<br /><br />Thanks for any info you can provide. If that level of income is even remotely accurate, Mike had better either do a lot of speaking engagements or step up the writing to about 5 books a year, or that BMW won't last.<br /><br />"Saw myself on 'Repo Kings' last night. God, I love seeing myself on TV."jourgetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-81092039409428593922012-08-10T13:03:42.526-07:002012-08-10T13:03:42.526-07:00I guess since Bara can't actually defend his n...I guess since Bara can't actually defend his nonsense, he's going the Hoagland route of argument by persecution complex. He has learned well from the Master.Chris Lopeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603182786879935663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-64735312808368242012-08-10T11:57:15.513-07:002012-08-10T11:57:15.513-07:00I think somebody's backed up against the wall....I think somebody's backed up against the wall. :)<br /><br /><i><b>Mike Bara</b><br />3 hours ago near Auburn, WA<br /><br />If any of my Facebook friends receive a message from a "James Concannon" or "Neville Parchemin" please report them to Facebook for harrassment. I understand one or both of them has already sent messages to all my Facebook friends attacking me and they are trying to get my account suspended. This is part of an organized campaign. Please block and report them. So far, only some of my female friends have reported getting messages from them, so be on the lookout.</i>strahlungsamtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-61248687673478257782012-08-10T07:53:36.582-07:002012-08-10T07:53:36.582-07:00Space.com ran an article today spanking Hoagland a...Space.com ran an article today spanking Hoagland and pointing out how likely it is that Curiosity will serve up a buffet of pareidolia.<br /><br />http://www.space.com/17029-why-mars-rover-curiosity-find-martians.htmljourgetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-73165677803564068572012-08-10T06:33:49.890-07:002012-08-10T06:33:49.890-07:00Expat et al,
We live in the best of times. We ar...Expat et al,<br /><br />We live in the best of times. We are experiencing unprecedented events in history. The Curiosity mission is according to some news agencies "flawless". The speed in which NASA is updating the public on their information and pictures is awesome to say the least.<br /><br />As for the Bara-Hoagland camp well ignorance will not be tolerated in an information age. We are a scientific community and these "opportunist" can try to milk the ignorant heard of some attention and money but not us.<br /><br />Hyper-dimensional physics is a code word for "i failed in grade 5 physics, math and science". Lunar anomalies and martian pyramid cities are just the ignorant meme for "my eye sight don't work and this is what i see". Its a new type of disease that haven't been acknowledged and recognized by the scientific community because it might deprive these handicap nuts of any sort of living so the scientific minded look the other way.<br /><br />I can't wait for today's NASA mission brief on NASA tv.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com