tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post2825220911358985164..comments2023-12-19T09:40:12.020-08:00Comments on The Emoluments of Mars: Mike Bara seems to be annoyed about somethingexpathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comBlogger175125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-37278841753939536872012-10-15T18:24:08.558-07:002012-10-15T18:24:08.558-07:00Yeah, I getz 'dat. You gotz an axe to grind.Yeah, I getz 'dat. You gotz an axe to grind.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-86187209752381124482012-10-15T16:24:55.746-07:002012-10-15T16:24:55.746-07:00Misti, just take another look at the stated purpos...Misti, just take another look at the stated purpose of this blog. I'm not going to dissect Carl Sagan's career nor am I going to investigate NASA.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-60657551313669483422012-10-15T15:43:49.033-07:002012-10-15T15:43:49.033-07:00Crickets. All I hear is the sound of crickets. I...Crickets. All I hear is the sound of crickets. I raise a whole shit load of insightful questions, and all I hear is the sound of fucking crickets.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-18059559390733069542012-10-15T00:50:45.123-07:002012-10-15T00:50:45.123-07:00I don't know enough about Carl Sagan to answer...I don't know enough about Carl Sagan to answer that question, Misti. I remember watching his Cosmos TV series when I was a child, and I did read an old edition of the Cosmos book about two or three years ago, but I am not a devotee of his career or anything.<br /><br />I certainly don't feel the adoration he receives is misplaced.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-85101547993172262082012-10-14T23:53:14.451-07:002012-10-14T23:53:14.451-07:00Somebody here seems to love the hell out of him. ...Somebody here seems to love the hell out of him. Maybe that was Lopes. Now's your big chance, FrightSoot. You could have just told us in your previous post, but then you would have been making an actual contribution here. Your are the one always trying to twist my words around. So tell us then, was Carl Sagan always such a great scientist or not?Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-39263284963761968002012-10-14T20:36:58.597-07:002012-10-14T20:36:58.597-07:00Misti, you are putting words in my mouth. When did...Misti, you are putting words in my mouth. When did I ever make any claims about Carl Sagan?<br /><br />FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-55964852450912182842012-10-14T20:14:57.228-07:002012-10-14T20:14:57.228-07:00All you manage to do, FrightSoot, is distract from...All you manage to do, FrightSoot, is distract from the fact, that either Carl Sagan wasn't the perfect, objective, rational scientist that you claim he was, or else Hoagland isn't all that much less a scientist than was Sagan.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-75640918917464408232012-10-14T20:06:36.819-07:002012-10-14T20:06:36.819-07:00Misti, I'm just saying your expressions of hos...Misti, I'm just saying your expressions of hostility and contempt are kind of weird and unwarranted. <br /><br />You seem to be really invested in the idea that everybody is against you, and that thought becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.<br /><br />Either you get it or you don't.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-66455043987489620492012-10-14T19:16:49.629-07:002012-10-14T19:16:49.629-07:00That is to say, the Machine seemed to exert a grav...That is to say, the Machine seemed to exert a gravitation effect on the ship, causing the ship to list, just before the capsule dropped.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EK6yL6Yf-g&feature=related" rel="nofollow">@ 1:24</a>Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-59525072704839037542012-10-14T19:10:39.670-07:002012-10-14T19:10:39.670-07:00FrightSoot, how good of friend are you of Hoagland...FrightSoot, how good of friend are you of Hoagland's? Are you saying that I owe you some sort of loyalty just for your being here, or something? What have you ever contributed?Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-50028362930191841142012-10-14T19:02:32.873-07:002012-10-14T19:02:32.873-07:00In the courtroom scene of the movie Contact, based...In the courtroom scene of the movie Contact, based upon the book by Carl Sagan, Jodie Foster is grilled by the Senator, about being delusional, yet nobody comes forth to testify about how the gyroscopic, tele-transportation "<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6o51-W_z8MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=contact&source=bl&ots=BHxHd0jgaW&sig=Yn6BdCBPdJfSAvUQrrNBY_UY9jI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Km57UMPXHMm7iwLo7ICACg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=machine&f=false" rel="nofollow">Machine</a>" created lightning bolts and damn near capsized the ship in the bay with the crew on board of Mission Control operatives. Do you pseudo scientific researchers here, take issue with Sagan's hypothesis? Does anybody here have a doctorate in a relevant degree from an accredited university?<br /><br /><br /><br />Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-66825279190380762132012-10-13T21:03:26.777-07:002012-10-13T21:03:26.777-07:00I don't know where my copy of Cosmos is. But w...I don't know where my copy of Cosmos is. But when you find yours, you might want to see whether Sagan stated his reason for wanting a rover to investigate the pyramids of Elysium.<br /><br />You might also want to see if he mentioned any other things he'd like for the rovers to check out.<br /><br />I don't quite get your porn comment, though. What is the point of being so antagonistic toward a perfect stranger who has no desire to fight with you?<br /><br />I'm not your enemy, Misti.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-51455017415741921002012-10-13T19:11:12.082-07:002012-10-13T19:11:12.082-07:00Why do you suppose Sagan singled out the Pyramids ...Why do you suppose Sagan singled out the Pyramids of Elysium for the rover to sniff out if it weren't significant? Why does NASA have it on the short list at all? It's a good thing you guys aren't scientific investigators.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-47491594144290430082012-10-13T19:08:08.260-07:002012-10-13T19:08:08.260-07:00Well as long as you're just sitting on your as...Well as long as you're just sitting on your ass there surfing porn online, why not dust off that book and look it up?Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-3825016221759497842012-10-13T18:01:51.639-07:002012-10-13T18:01:51.639-07:00Yes Misti, I have read Carl Sagan's "Cosm...Yes Misti, I have read Carl Sagan's "Cosmos."<br /><br />It's been a while, however, and I don't remember him saying anything about the pyramids of Elysium.<br /><br />If he'd stated or implied that there were artificial structures on Mars (or any place other than Earth), however, I think that is something I would have remembered.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-52165153433391764502012-10-13T17:55:16.050-07:002012-10-13T17:55:16.050-07:00What about all of that fake blue stuff, outside th...What about all of that fake blue stuff, outside the crater, in the other picture you posted Paddycakes?Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-42316154222496931602012-10-13T16:47:20.446-07:002012-10-13T16:47:20.446-07:00Elysium is "on the menu" for the future....Elysium is <a href="http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_027702_1815" rel="nofollow">"on the menu" for the future</a>.<br /><br />I can't agree that it's "too bad" Curiosity is in Gale. Gale was the rational first choice of people who know a great deal more than any of us.expathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-54102700658982360392012-10-13T16:33:24.561-07:002012-10-13T16:33:24.561-07:00Even on that page with the excerpt, Sagan finds th...Even on that page with the excerpt, Sagan finds the Pyramids of Elysium significant enough to warrant a rover to investigate. How timely, now that we have a brand new one up there right now. Too bad that Curiosity is stuck in that damned crater.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-8215551578359336112012-10-13T16:20:34.623-07:002012-10-13T16:20:34.623-07:00Has anyone here, actually ever read Cosmos to see ...Has anyone here, actually ever read Cosmos to see if what's on that webpage is the full extent of what he said about the Pyramids of Elysium? Just because FrightSoot doesn't know, doesn't mean that it is. FrightSoot would just sit there and let Planet X crash into his attic, before ever bothering to look out his own window.Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-11749170590367324212012-10-13T16:16:28.931-07:002012-10-13T16:16:28.931-07:00Tara is the one who says that she has done more re...Tara is the one who says that she has done more research on the Elysium Pyramids. Perhaps she'd care to share them here?Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-86421817022637848582012-10-13T14:43:48.792-07:002012-10-13T14:43:48.792-07:00Thanks Misti! I'm not seeing any clearly unamb...Thanks Misti! I'm not seeing any clearly unambiguous statement from Sagan saying he thinks it's possible those pyramids are artificial, though.<br /><br />I can see how one might infer that from what he said, however. But it's ambiguous.<br /><br />Unless you're aware of more statements he's made about these pyramids?<br /><br />Really, though, they don't look to me like the perfectly square footprint you'd see looking down at the Giza pyramid from above. And even the five sided one doesn't look perfectly pentagonal from above. They have some edges which are longer than others, and/or edges which are at awkward angles to each other.<br /><br />That irregularity, to my eye, would tend to be indicative of natural geological formations, as opposed to artificial objects.FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-36258922249613888182012-10-13T13:50:49.538-07:002012-10-13T13:50:49.538-07:00In his 1980 book Cosmos, Carl Sagan shows this pic...In his 1980 book Cosmos, Carl Sagan shows this picture in the chapter Blues for a Red Planet with the image caption "The Pyramids of Elysium". In that paragraph he wrote about a large rover mission which would be of high public interest as live TV-picture would be send to Earth when the rover visits these pyramids. In a footnoote on that page he wrote:<br /><br /> The largest Mars Pyramids have a base width of 3km and a height of 1km, so they are much larger than the Pyramids of Sumer, Egypt and Mexico. With the ancient eroded shape, they could be small hills, sandblasted for centuries, but they need to be viewed from nearby.<br /><br /><br />Similar images from Mars Global Surveyor<br /><a href="http://mars-news.de/mr9/4205-78.html#mgs" rel="nofollow">mars-news.de/mr9/4205-78.html#mgs</a>Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-68227844061618242092012-10-13T13:45:53.172-07:002012-10-13T13:45:53.172-07:00Yeah, Tara alluded to the "Elysium pyramids&q...Yeah, Tara alluded to the "Elysium pyramids" above.<br /><br />The Sagan Pyramids - also known as Mariner 9 4205-78 & 4296-23<br /><br /><a href="http://mars-news.de/mr9/4205-78.html" rel="nofollow">mars-news.de/mr9/4205-78.html</a>Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-20720753145315939442012-10-12T14:12:36.195-07:002012-10-12T14:12:36.195-07:00Misit, I am curious about this assertion that Saga...Misit, I am curious about this assertion that Sagan apparently said something at some point about pyramids on Mars. Are there references for this? If you've got links, I'd love to check 'em out!FlightSuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424355892619234956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8051630750074978974.post-7523775247765215642012-10-12T14:09:55.054-07:002012-10-12T14:09:55.054-07:00referred referred Jiminy Oddbirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550038114874559191noreply@blogger.com